End fossil fuel welfare handouts paid for by taxpayers

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. That's the opposite of what I want. I want the United States to be fair chance for everybody - not just the wealthiest corporations that own Congress and live off the taxpayers dime. I want the taxpayers to regain control of their government. I want each taxpayer to have the same opportunity to work hard and succeed in this country - something I've seen taken away over the past several decades. I want people to be able to work hard and become as wealthy as they wish due to their hard work.

Right now, I see the wealthy living off the poor, and the biggest companies squandering the chance of any little company to have a start-up due to favorable laws they purchase in their favor, and corporations owning our political process start to finish. I see the taxpayer no longer having any voice in Washington as they don't contribute big bucks, and now they no longer have a voice in electing their representatives due to Citizens United.

We live in a plutocracy. Not a democracy. And I want our democracy back.



I could go for that. But we have to start somewhere. Do you agree with starting with the Big Five massively profitable oil companies, or not?

I will start at the top and work my way down.

The United States is offering a fair chance for everybody, right from the start, same odds. Make of them what you will. That is how poor people become wealthy and community organizers born to single parents become President, beating the odds.

The only way taxpayers can regain control of the government at this point is revolution and no one really has the energy or capability to do so, the next best thing is voting, few do that with any kind of information. Status quo after status quo. Single term limits for all, this was never meant to be a career, it was meant to be a service and an honorable one at that.

The wealthy support the poor, not the other way around, where does all that money given to the poor come from? Other poor?
Small companies start up all the time and are able to thrive, society has turned a bit on that and are looking for a service first mentality, not just the lowest price the large company can provide me with. I have two companies, both started in the last 6 years and doing quite well against all odds.

I actually agree about corporations owning the government, all branches, both parties. DC is a pit and needs to be torn down in lieu of a do over. Start from scratch, see if they can find some document written in plain English to use as a framework amongst the rubble. One that doesn't require so much "interpretation".

The taxpayer (collective) pays more than any corporation and is meant to own the government as a result. Not Citizens United or Hollywood big shots paying 14MM to have dinner with the President or any one interest. Agreed but it has to work both ways. See?

We live in a Constitutional Republic, never has been a Democracy. Elections used to be, sort of, until the electoral system. The only thing separating us from a Kingdom is we elect our inept leaders and then are stuck with them, often more than once as the % of educated voters goes down every year.

To answer your question, no I do not agree with starting anywhere. It must be broad spectrum, rip it off like a Band-Aid for ALL because there is no "starting with" they would get it done and maintain the rest of the untenable subsidies until they spent (read wasted) that money and go looking for another villain to rob.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I will start at the top and work my way down.

The United States is offering a fair chance for everybody, right from the start, same odds. Make of them what you will.

No. Income for people making less than $250,000 a year - that is over 95% of Americans - has stagnated or gone down over the past 50 years. Meanwhile, the wealthiest Americans have gotten more income, and more tax breaks.

The only way taxpayers can regain control of the government at this point is revolution and no one really has the energy or capability to do so, the next best thing is voting, few do that with any kind of information.

I agree with you there. Not enough vote, and few actually vote for the person or party whose interests aline with their own.

Single term limits for all, this was never meant to be a career, it was meant to be a service and an honorable one at that.

I disagree with term limits. I want someone to be accountable to voters, not free to do exactly as they wish in office.

The wealthy support the poor, not the other way around, where does all that money given to the poor come from? Other poor?

The wealthy do not support the poor, the middle three income brackets support the poor.

Small companies start up all the time and are able to thrive,

Only 1 in 5 small businesses are still in business after 5 years.

Society has turned a bit on that and are looking for a service first mentality, not just the lowest price the large company can provide me with. I have two companies, both started in the last 6 years and doing quite well against all odds.

I am on my second good business, too. But I'm a professional, with a good education. I don't manufacture, I sell my knowledge and skill. The most people I have hired at one time is 6 or 7. Now - we all live in the same community, so money earned here, is spent here, locally. And that's a good thing, certainly

I laugh at what happened to the Facebook IPO - it sorta shows that you can't sell imaginary value. We should go back to manufacturing - those tangible things

I actually agree about corporations owning the government, all branches, both parties. DC is a pit and needs to be torn down in lieu of a do over. Start from scratch, see if they can find some document written in plain English to use as a framework amongst the rubble. One that doesn't require so much "interpretation".

I absolutely agree with you that it is virtually all people, both parties. There are a few "clean" people in Congress, but I'll bet I could only come up with less than 20 or so.

The taxpayer (collective) pays more than any corporation and is meant to own the government as a result. Not Citizens United or Hollywood big shots paying 14MM to have dinner with the President or any one interest. Agreed but it has to work both ways.

I absolutely agree that big money should not buy government. But no money should buy government. All American citizens own the government, not just "taxpayers".

We live in a Constitutional Republic, never has been a Democracy. Elections used to be, sort of, until the electoral system. The only thing separating us from a Kingdom is we elect our inept leaders and then are stuck with them, often more than once as the % of educated voters goes down every year.

We don't elect, the candidate with the most money wins.

To answer your question, no I do not agree with starting anywhere. It must be broad spectrum, rip it off like a Band-Aid for ALL because there is no "starting with" they would get it done and maintain the rest of the untenable subsidies until they spent (read wasted) that money and go looking for another villain to rob.

I disagree. That would collapse our economy. We have to start somewhere, bit by bit.