When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're a di.ckhead. You are a bloviating moron that is too stupid to pay attention before he indulges in a self-rightous rant against another poster, and then refuses to even apologize when caught being a fool.

There - isn't it great to call names! Just what is needed here! More personal attacks! Good job, Pointman!

Apologize to you for pointing out the truth that you are a huge hypocrite? That is really funny.

Do the sport a favor and take a position against Lasix so it will not get banned.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Apologize to you for pointing out the truth that you are a huge hypocrite? That is really funny.

No. I mean apologizing that your ranting out-of-nowhere personal attack was based on you being stupid: not paying attention, not reading today's thread, and conflated posts from the past with statements of today.

It's not my fault that you just came out of nowhere as a rude dick. You did that all on your own.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I mean apologizing that your ranting out-of-nowhere personal attack was based on you being stupid: not paying attention, not reading today's thread, and conflated posts from the past with statements of today.

It's not my fault that you just came out of nowhere as a rude dick. You did that all on your own.

You truly live in your own world.

[GPK]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GPK

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

Kevin, please stop.

We don't need facts or stories about the case, Riot will tells us what we should think.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GPK

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

I wonder if that had anything to do with why he wasn't charged. The police department was known for multiple problems, the current chief was brought in specifically to fix them (why the town supported him through this, I'm sure)

Maybe they didn't charge Zimmerman because they just didn't have the manpower and capability to go forward well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GPK

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

what a mess. seems imo that based on all the evidence i've read about (and obviously you only know what's given) that perhaps the police dept 'pre-judged' for lack of a better word what had happened when they arrived at the scene...that it was felt from the beginning that they weren't actually investigating a crime, and so things weren't done as well as they should have been. a lot of assuming went on, between thinking zimmerman was on foot (why wasn't that asked?), assuming martin didn't belong in the neighborhood, assuming he was trespassing....way, way too much assuming.

as all this has gone on, there have been plenty of surprises along the way. shoddy investigative work, too much info released to the media at various points along the way, you have charges filed that appear to be in response to the public outcry, and perhaps not in response to what's been found in an investigation...in other words, a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. seems to me the police mishandled the case from the very first moment, that it's certainly too late now to remedy that situation, and that they probably are wasting their time at this point in having filed charges because you only do so if you feel that you have a good case. i don't think they do at all at this point.
going to be hard to find an untainted jury pool, the investigation is full of holes, you have the law of stand your ground.....
like i said weeks ago, this guy will most likely walk. whether he is guilty of murder or not, i doubt they'll be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt all things considered. it's a weak case, apparently brought only to settle down all the people screaming for charges to be filed. and probably explains why they didn't convene a grand jury; i doubt one would have recommended moving forward.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

On the one hand, I have read that there may have been some inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. On the other hand, your article says Zimmerman passed a lie detector test.

"The police conducted a lie-detection procedure, known as voice stress analysis, on Mr. Zimmerman that he passed, and they had him re-enact the encounter with Mr. Martin back at the Retreat the day after the shooting."

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

On the one hand, I have read that there may have been some inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. On the other hand, your article says Zimmerman passed a lie detector test.

"The police conducted a lie-detection procedure, known as voice stress analysis, on Mr. Zimmerman that he passed, and they had him re-enact the encounter with Mr. Martin back at the Retreat the day after the shooting."

Then, too, there is this

"One witness, though, provided information to the police that corroborated Mr. Zimmerman’s account of the struggle, according to a law enforcement official."

and this

"He was handcuffed and taken into “investigative detention” at Sanford police headquarters, where he was read his Miranda rights and answered questions without a lawyer present. Investigators described him as unhesitatingly cooperative."

Interesting.

Thanks for the link, GPK.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

On the one hand, I have read that there may have been some inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. On the other hand, your article says Zimmerman passed a lie detector test.

"The police conducted a lie-detection procedure, known as voice stress analysis, on Mr. Zimmerman that he passed, and they had him re-enact the encounter with Mr. Martin back at the Retreat the day after the shooting."

Rupert, lie detector tests are not admissible in court, because they are incredibly inaccurate. All they do is measure levels of stress. Ted Bundy passed a lie detector with flying colors. I don't even know why they're still administered.

http://www.jacksonvillecriminaldefen...t_results.html

(I am not comparing Zimmerman to Ted Bundy; I'm just citing him as someone who was later convicted of having committed a horrific crime but passed the polygraph test as an example of why the polygraph tests are not useful)

That NYTimes article makes me despair for law enforcement in Sanford. They really come across like the Keystone Kops.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, lie detector tests are not admissible in court, because they are incredibly inaccurate. All they do is measure levels of stress. Ted Bundy passed a lie detector with flying colors. I don't even know why they're still administered.

http://www.jacksonvillecriminaldefen...t_results.html

(I am not comparing Zimmerman to Ted Bundy; I'm just citing him as someone who was later convicted of having committed a horrific crime but passed the polygraph test as an example of why the polygraph tests are not useful)

That NYTimes article makes me despair for law enforcement in Sanford. They really come across like the Keystone Kops.

Yes, you are correct. Lie detectors tests are not admissible in court and they are not 100% accurate. However, they are pretty accurate. The research shows they are accurate around 80-90% of the time. That is why law-enforcement uses them all the time. They aren't a sure thing but they work very well.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You truly live in your own world.

I live in a world where rude little internet dickheads that come out of nowhere calling me hypocrite because they are have a little hysterical hissy fit don't get to blame their rude behaviour on me.

There was a nice discussion going on here before the predictable few decided to interrupt and make it a personal attack. You can't help small minds and angry insecure egos. You are what you are. Try harder to not be a joke.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I live in a world where rude little internet dickheads that come out of nowhere calling me hypocrite because they are have a little hysterical hissy fit don't get to blame their rude behaviour on me.

You live in a world where you continually ignore the evidence that is staring you in the face. You think that you are right about everything and have no tolerance for dissent. When people disagree with you, you call everyone else names and claim they are rude when you are too stupid to realize that no one assaults others and throws more insults at others than you.

You really need to get a job and a life that is something other than posting here 24/7 while the rest of us hard working people are forced to support losers like you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You live in a world where you continually ignore the evidence that is staring you in the face. You think that you are right about everything and have no tolerance for dissent. When people disagree with you, you call everyone else names and claim they are rude when you are too stupid to realize that no one assaults others and throws more insults at others than you.

You really need to get a job and a life that is something other than posting here 24/7 while the rest of us hard working people are forced to support losers like you.

You can probably get help for your inability to tolerate other people you don't like in a social setting.

I have a wonderful, complex, challenging job that pays well, and allows me lots of free time, thanks

Look - you jumped into the conversation out of nowhere attacking me, and you were caught being stupid doing it. Now you are going all in to try and blame me for your acting so ridiculously. You dislike me? So sorry for you. Looks like you have something you have to learn to deal with.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

You can probably get help for your inability to tolerate other people you don't like in a social setting.

I have a wonderful, complex, challenging job that pays well, and allows me lots of free time, thanks

No you don't, you are here all day long and you are not fooling anyone.

There is no such thing as a nice discussion with you if someone does not agree with your position.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I live in a world where rude little internet dickheads that come out of nowhere calling me hypocrite because they are have a little hysterical hissy fit don't get to blame their rude behaviour on me.

There was a nice discussion going on here before the predictable few decided to interrupt and make it a personal attack. You can't help small minds and angry insecure egos. You are what you are. Try harder to not be a joke.

The predictable few? What a laugh! It is always multiple posters against one ignoramous, YOU!!! Why is it that you find yourself against multiple people that call you out and you still think that the others are the problem and not you? Wake up and smell the coffee jackass.