Doug O'Neill

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I’m curious about everyone’s thoughts regarding Doug O’Neill being the trainer that won this year's Derby. I don’t bet CA tracks so I’m not that familiar with him. In the past I have seen several negative comments about him on this site. The comments I recall were about his treatment of lower level claimers. Thoughts?

Especially when he ships to Los Al.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Especially when he ships to Los Al.

i still remember the berna dette incident from a few years ago.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...e=home_oneline

180 day suspension for Mr. Oneil.

[Indian Charlie]

Can someone please explain what is so wrong with 'milkshaking'????????????

Are you freaking kidding me, baking soda, illegal??????

Sodium Bicarbonate has many useful effects in the body, and virtually no harmful ones. How can this stuff possibly be outlawed in horses?

Baking soda??????

But lasix is ok????

Talk about whack!

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Can someone please explain what is so wrong with 'milkshaking'????????????

Are you freaking kidding me, baking soda, illegal??????

Sodium Bicarbonate has many useful effects in the body, and virtually no harmful ones. How can this stuff possibly be outlawed in horses?

Baking soda??????

But lasix is ok????

Talk about whack!

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/hor...bad-taste.aspx

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Arletta

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/hor...bad-taste.aspx

The entire article sounds like an endorsement for bicarbonate loading. The benefits are tremendous.

Except for, of course, the drug masking.

Lots of people, as in human beings, use sodium bicarbonate to increase overall wellbeing, exercise performance and more.

Too bad it gets used for masking drugs.

Luckily, lasix has no such benefit!

[tector]

Without the masking effect, I would not give a damn about shakes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Can someone please explain what is so wrong with 'milkshaking'????????????

Are you freaking kidding me, baking soda, illegal??????

Sodium Bicarbonate has many useful effects in the body, and virtually no harmful ones. How can this stuff possibly be outlawed in horses?

Baking soda??????

But lasix is ok????

Talk about whack!

when milkshaking prevents hemorraging and lung damage, let me know.

[slotdirt]

I said to a fellow horseplayer in the seconds after the Derby that the NYT just had its next expose written for them. I can only imagine the publicity in the three weeks between the Preakness and the Belmont should I'll Have Another win on the 19th.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when milkshaking prevents hemorraging and lung damage, let me know.

When lasix prevents fatigue, and thus injuries, let me know.

Open your mind.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

When lasix prevents fatigue, and thus injuries, let me know.

Open your mind.

so, illegal milkshaking should be ok because it staves off fatigue (wouldn't proper training do the same?) and can mask drugs, but lasix that prevents hemorraging into the lungs and permanent lung damage, and doesn't mask drugs is not. yeah, i'm the one that needs an open mind...

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...e=home_oneline

180 day suspension for Mr. Oneil.

Where did you see that, could you post a link?

The article mentions about a possible 180 day suspension, but I haven't seen anything handed down as of yet.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Where did you see that, could you post a link?

The article mentions about a possible 180 day suspension, but I haven't seen anything handed down as of yet.

it hasn't been. i think the hearing is in the next month or two.
what gets me about these suspensions is when the trainer says 'yeah, i need a vacation anyway'...they work so well! rather than just a suspension at this point, the license should be revoked.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i still remember the berna dette incident from a few years ago.

thats the one that got me too.

but i will root for the horse until he loses. i want a triple crown before i say goodbye.