Dullahan

[DaTruth]

Optimizer almost split the field. DWL will call it a confidence booster and start making plans for the Preakness.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Optimizer almost split the field. DWL will call it a confidence booster and start making plans for the Preakness.

And Lukas won a race at like 15/1 early in the day! He was on fire today.

[aaronrodgers]

Went The Day Well past all of the leaders 50 yds past the wire. Just took him to long to get it into gear. I'll never bet another horse with Leparoux as the jockey. Two jumps out the gate and he's already giving up the chance to try and get closer to the pace but instead takes the horse up under wraps and is ahead of 1 horse in the 1st turn. What a sucky ride he gave today.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by aaronrodgers

Went The Day Well past all of the leaders 50 yds past the wire. Just took him to long to get it into gear. I'll never bet another horse with Leparoux as the jockey. Two jumps out the gate and he's already giving up the chance to try and get closer to the pace but instead takes the horse up under wraps and is ahead of 1 horse in the 1st turn. What a sucky ride he gave today.

I agree on LePeaux, I think he's the worst big name jock going, but he rode Union Rags, not WTDW.

[aaronrodgers]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I agree on LePeaux, I think he's the worst big name jock going, but he rode Union Rags, not WTDW.

I was should've been more clear. I was talking about to different horses. My Bad.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

And Lukas won a race at like 15/1 early in the day! He was on fire today.

Doug if Bode and the winner go on to Pimlico, Bode is chalk, right?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Doug if Bode and the winner go on to Pimlico, Bode is chalk, right?

I just can't imagine Bodemeister will be ready two weeks from now. I would love to see the O'Neill stats with two weeks or less rest in stakes.

[PatCummings]

In Airport, headed home. Data report later today

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Doug if Bode and the winner go on to Pimlico, Bode is chalk, right?

Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

6/5? Absolutely no chance.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

6/5? Absolutely no chance.

That might be a little low. I guess it depends on whether horses like Union Rags and some of the others show up. But no matter who shows up, I don't think he goes off higher than 2-1.

[Indian Charlie]

I have no feel whatsoever for what the odds would be on Bodemeister in the Preakness.

I could see him 3/5 or 5/2.

I'd much rather see him go to the Belmont.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

And Lukas won a race at like 15/1 early in the day! He was on fire today.

That was like stealing. Hell everyone knows DWL is $$ 7th race of the year and coming off two drubblings in graded company

[horseofcourse]

the race I saw the simple fact was Trinniberg couldn't keep up with Bodemeister, he did it on his own...the pace. I don't care what anyone said afterwards, it was no factor in the race. No Trinniberg, same pace for Bodemeister as Hansen and Take Charge Indy run closer to Bodemeister to keep him from getting away and exact same fractions occur. Exact.

It's the simple narrative that is easy to go to in this race and I feel it doesn't fit what happened.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

the race I saw the simple fact was Trinniberg couldn't keep up with Bodemeister, he did it on his own...the pace. I don't care what anyone said afterwards, it was no factor in the race. No Trinniberg, same pace for Bodemeister as Hansen and Take Charge Indy run closer to Bodemeister to keep him from getting away and exact same fractions occur. Exact.

It's the simple narrative that is easy to go to in this race and I feel it doesn't fit what happened.

This notion that because Mike Smith says he was within himself means that Trinniberg not being there wouldn't have mattered is NONSENSE.

If Trinniberg is not in the race, Bodemeister does not have to go 45 and 1/5 to get a clear lead, and he doesn't have to shade 1:10 to stay in front. Take Trinniberg out and he would have had a comfortable lead over Hansen going a bit slower at each point of call.

When speed horses get clear leads, that does not mean that they suddenly lose any excuse for losing. Using that ridiculously flawed logic, you will hold losing against a speed horse with complete disregard for the pace they set.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

This notion that because Mike Smith says he was within himself means that Trinniberg not being there wouldn't have mattered is NONSENSE.

If Trinniberg is not in the race, Bodemeister does not have to go 45 and 1/5 to get a clear lead, and he doesn't have to shade 1:10 to stay in front. Take Trinniberg out and he would have had a comfortable lead over Hansen going a bit slower at each point of call.

When speed horses get clear leads, that does not mean that they suddenly lose any excuse for losing. Using that ridiculously flawed logic, you will hold losing against a speed horse with complete disregard for the pace they set.

that's your narrative and that's fine. I have a different one. You act like if Trinniberg isn't in the race you have a 100 percent clear idea of what happens in that race. You simply have your opinion that's all. My opinion is that Bodemeister likely sets a fast pace in that race regardless of the other animals. I think it's just as likely to opine that the reason Hansen was going slower was the fact that Trinniberg was in the race. Bodemeister lost to Creative Cause when not on the lead and rank and challenged. He set a very fast pace in Arkansas and blew them out. He did the same thing yesterday and beat Creative Cause. Perhaps it was a tad fast, I don't know. He beat 18 horses.

Tell me how slow Bodemeister's pace was in Arkansas again. It wasn't. My opinion is if Smith strangles the life out of the horse to let Trinniberg get a clear lead is useless. The horse is fast, he set very fast fractions in Arkansas. Of course the pace affected him...it was the pace, not Trinniberg that affected him. I simply cannot concede that everyone here knows so much that they are 100 percent sure what he runs pace wise if Trinniberg isn't there. I dont' believe any of you. the horse is fast.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You act like if Trinniberg isn't in the race you have a 100 percent clear idea of what happens in that race.

Bodemeister set a very slow pace on the lead in his win 3 starts back. He's not a run-off.

Mike Smith threw crosses at him coming out of the gate and sent him -- Trinniberg was under a hammerlock hold -- and they still ran head and head through a 22 1/5th opening quarter.

Anyone who thinks Bodemeister wouldn't have romped without Trinniberg in the race is seriously and has a very poor understanding of very, very, very basic handicapping.