Great Piece: Equine Athlete Psychology

Indian Charlie · #1 05-02-2012, 05:51 PM

Dude, he likes the favorites.

Shocking.

How can he assign such radically different assessments to Bodemeister and Trinniberg when they have the same running style?

Why can Bode win but not Trinniberg, from a psychological handicapping angle?

I'll tell you why. It's because everyone knows Trinniberg is not going to win and it's safe to throw him out.

Danzig · #2 05-02-2012, 05:54 PM

does this guy also sell pap sheets?

Indian Charlie · #3 05-02-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

does this guy also sell pap sheets?

It's probably pretty useful for smears.

clambeau · #4 05-02-2012, 06:02 PM

unless you're reading something other than the link I posted, I don't think this guy is telling you who's gonna win...he's just putting into words what he's been observing in the Derby horses previous races. I'll read the darn thing again but I still wont see him giving anyone the Derby winner....

He's not charging anything for his opinion for cryin out loud.....cheez!!

Riot · #5 05-02-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clambeau

unless you're reading something other than the link I posted, I don't think this guy is telling you who's gonna win...he's just putting into words what he's been observing in the Derby horses previous races. I'll read the darn thing again but I still wont see him giving anyone the Derby winner....

He's not charging anything for his opinion for cryin out loud.....cheez!!

Good grief. This isn't magic. All he's doing is accurately describing normal herd horse behaviour, that jockeys and trainers and exercise riders have known for years: some horses panic when surrounded. Some are aggressive and like to intimidate. Some won't run on out in front by themselves. Some don't like other horses coming up behind. Some stick to a buddy like glue and won't go ahead themselves. Some mentally dominate a challenger when they run alongside it. It's the very same physical things we do to horses, with our body motion, to gain dominance when we break them in a round pen when they are young.

It's no different than someone watching horses work in the am, and interpreting "how" the horse was feeling and acting during the work (aside from the time)

If someone has never ridden or trained horses, and doesn't know how horses think and act, I can see how it would be impossible to figure out what the guy was talking about.

Indian Charlie · #6 05-02-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Good grief. This isn't magic. All he's doing is accurately describing normal herd horse behaviour, that jockeys and trainers and exercise riders have known for years: some horses panic when surrounded. Some are aggressive and like to intimidate. Some won't run on out in front by themselves. Some don't like other horses coming up behind. Some stick to a buddy like glue and won't go ahead themselves. Some mentally dominate a challenger when they run alongside it. It's the very same physical things we do to horses, with our body motion, to gain dominance when we break them in a round pen when they are young.

It's no different than someone watching horses work in the am, and interpreting "how" the horse was feeling and acting during the work (aside from the time)

If someone has never ridden or trained horses, and doesn't know how horses think and act, I can see how it would be impossible to figure out what the guy was talking about.

In all seriousness, how can he differentiate between Bodemeister and Trinniberg's herd behavior based on their virtually identical running style thus far?

What I mean to ask is since they have the same style, how come they don't have different psych profiles?

It seems like nonsense to me.

Riot · #7 05-02-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

In all seriousness, how can he differentiate between Bodemeister and Trinniberg's herd behavior based on their virtually identical running style thus far?

What I mean to ask is since they have the same style, how come they don't have different psych profiles?

It seems like nonsense to me.

Can you copy here what he wrote about those two?

Indian Charlie · #8 05-02-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Can you copy here what he wrote about those two?

Yes, as can you. I'll do it, even though I know you are baiting me and think you'll make me look more foolish than I already am.

Trinniberg:

Trinniberg shows no interest at all in the group dynamic, and that could be a problem in a 20-horse field. He runs as fast as he can for as long as he can. He shows very little interpretation of stimulus behind him or even to the side.

I don’t see any indicators that he has enough of a group dynamic to manage a herd over a distance. This is not a drag race. This is a distance race.

Bodemeister:

Bodemeister’s patterns of motion are completely different than any horse in this field or any horse I’ve seen so far. His comfort zone is being alone. That’s not normal in horses.

His sweet spot is a forward distance focus, and he doesn’t need a target. His target is open space. That’s where he does his best. He has a fascinating emotional conformation profile. It’s like he’s looking forever in front of him, yet he has very good stimulus interpretation around him. He engages quickly.

Bodemeister will not be as prone to individual battles for space as some of these other horses. He doesn’t care. He just wants to be free of all of it, and his comfort zone is to move forward and away. Bodemeister knows what is behind him, but he doesn’t lock onto it.

At this point in his development, I think Bodemeister is better at being chased than he is at chasing or moving in a group. Being pushed from behind made him go faster in Arkansas. That puts him somewhat at the mercy of race dynamics. To win this Derby, I think he will have to get out and go. I would not want to see him tangled up in Derby traffic competing for space. That’s not his sweet spot psychologically.

clambeau · #9 05-02-2012, 06:25 PM

I still think it was an interesting study.....It should have come with a warning that it may offend some people who don't believe horses have a brain...

To those of you who think the whole thing is absurd...don't read it and try and forget what you read if you did read it (or had someone read it to you).

It'll be alright...you can just watch the Chicklets run around....you'll be fine.

Indian Charlie · #10 05-02-2012, 06:31 PM

OMG.

Where in the hell did I even come close to implying horses don't have brains? Maybe you are inferring from my posts that you don't have one, but that's on you.

What I am saying is that this guy is fraudulent, whether or not he has something to sell, or will have something to sell in the future. His comments are gibberish, and for whatever reason, you find it easy to suspend all critical thought when reading him.