Albertrani

What was he gonna say? I got outrun and outtrained? Because that is EXACTLY what happened on Saturday folks, exactly.
He had the benefit of Invasor "having a fever, LOL" and being forced to miss his last prep, while getting Bern his, and Invasor lost tons of ground on a track that was favoring rail running speed and Invasor blew by him with ease.
Kiarin fed him and the most sickeningly overglorified horse in history his nuts for dinner. It was truly a beautiful thing to behold.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

What was he gonna say? I got outrun and outtrained? Because that is EXACTLY what happened on Saturday folks, exactly.
He had the benefit of Invasor "having a fever, LOL" and being forced to miss his last prep, while getting Bern his, and Invasor lost tons of ground on a track that was favoring rail running speed and Invasor blew by him with ease.
Kiarin fed him and the most sickeningly overglorified horse in history his nuts for dinner. It was truly a beautiful thing to behold.

More overglorified, relative to accomplishment, than circular quay?????

[repent]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Kiarin fed him and the most sickeningly overglorified horse in history his nuts for dinner. It was truly a beautiful thing to behold.

we can debate whether or not Bern was overrated, but Oracle,
i think FuPeg will always own the title you just described.

hell,
that horse went off as the fav in a BCC also, and got beat by tons more.


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[Betsy]

Oracle is the same guy who was gushing over Bernardini at Saratoga.......the best three year old he's seen in a long time. LOL Love those hypocrites.

Albertrani has more class in his pinky than ............fill in the blank. What does it say about someone when they get their jollies heckling a classy guy like Tom?

[repent]

Mike can defend himself,
but anyone who thinks Albertrani did not get out trained needs to have their head examined.

Invasor overcame a clear bias and was much the best on Sat despite the layoff due to missed training time.
the trainer deserves credit for that.

and I say this as someone totally impressed with the year that Bern and Albertrani put together.

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I am sort of consused here. Invasor is the one that got over to the rail before the first turn. Invasor raced inside of Dini the entire time until the final turn. Then he swung wider than Dini was running. The middle of the track where Dini was the worse. The inside rail was the best and then about 6-8 path was the next best. Not sure how Albertrani got out-trained. If losing a race means you got out-trained then every trainer got out-trained by 8 trainers. That is stupid to think. In addition, losing to a horse that has 9 wins, (now) 4 Grade I wins isnt that bad. Dini still beat 12 other horses rather easily.

[repent]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I am sort of consused here. Invasor is the one that got over to the rail before the first turn. Invasor raced inside of Dini the entire time until the final turn. Then he swung wider than Dini was running. The middle of the track where Dini was the worse. The inside rail was the best and then about 6-8 path was the next best. Not sure how Albertrani got out-trained. If losing a race means you got out-trained then every trainer got out-trained by 8 trainers. That is stupid to think. In addition, losing to a horse that has 9 wins, (now) 4 Grade I wins isnt that bad. Dini still beat 12 other horses rather easily.

when you have the best horse in the race and get beat while running below his normal effort,
then yeah,
you probably got out trained.
everyone gets held accountable to their results.


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[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by repent

when you have the best horse in the race and get beat while running below his normal effort,
then yeah,
you probably got out trained.
everyone gets held accountable to their results.


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Bernardini wasn't the best horse in the race.

Originally Posted by repent

when you have the best horse in the race and get beat while running below his normal effort,
then yeah,
you probably got out trained.
everyone gets held accountable to their results.


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Who said he was the best horse in the race? Apparently Invasor was the best horse in the race. If Dini was the best horse in the race then why even run the race!!!!! Again, he came in 2nd so how didnt he run his race. What happened to make you think he didnt run his race?

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Oracle hasnt liked Albertrani since Songster screwed him over at the Spa when Court Folly won

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Frankly, I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Is it at all possible that Invasor was better. Nah, can't be that, have to blame someone right? And you are acting like Bernie rode the rail. that was him moving 3 wide around the turn right? Since you know so much, what exactly did Albertrani do wrong in his training of the horse? Since the way you are talking, the ability and talent of the horse doesn't matter, just who trains who better. I think McLaughlin is a tremendous trainer, but wasn't Henny hughes up the track? Was he out trained by Doug O'Neill? Did Albertrani out the other 12 trainers in the Classic? Don't get this logic.

you are typing and assuming a bunch of things about my comments that are incorrect.

are you Albertrani's shoe shiner or something?

stop reading things into my words that are not there.

Bernardini clearly did not run his best race of the year on Saturday.
invasor clearly did.
McLaughlin and his team had their horse ready.
that is what i typed.
stop getting so damn emotional about it.
you must be a chic.



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[repent]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well no this is what you wrote:

"anyone who thinks Albertrani did not get out trained needs to have their head examined"

Of course McLaughlin had his horse ready, he's a great trainer. And Albertrani had his as well. And it was wise of you to back up, since obviously you had nothing of substance to say. And no I'm not a "chic", and I'm not getting emotional, if you want to post crap, expect to have it put in your face.

I did not back up on anything moron.

I typed what I typed.

Invasor ran the best race of his year on Sat.
Bern did not.
trainer deserves credit for that.

to read anything more into what I typed is incorrect.

you are a moron.
read into that what you want.


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Originally Posted by repent

I did not back up on anything moron.

I typed what I typed.

Invasor ran the best race of his year on Sat.
Bern did not.
trainer deserves credit for that.

to read anything more into what I typed is incorrect.

you are a moron.
read into that what you want.


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So the trainer is 100% responsible for how a horse is going to perform on any given day??? Come on brother--that is almost laughable to think. Maybe Dini was in a bad mood, maybe he had a headache, maybe he was scared--we have no clue what is going on in the horses head. But if you think it is the trainers fault because a horse doesnt run his/her best on a certain day then you need some help. These horses arent machines.

[repent]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well, you wrote "anyone who thinks Albertrani did not get out trained needs to have their head examined." Don't think I'm really reading into anything. So if Albertrani did get out trained, as YOU and Oracle say, what did Albertrani do wrong, in your opinion? And I will ask you this, was McLaughlin out trained by Doug O'Neill, because Henny Hughes was awful on Saturday. I just think Invasor was better. That's it. And Tom Albertrani is a class guy.

what did Albertraini do wrong?
his horse ran well below his previous efforts in the most important race of the year.
what were the reasons?
I dont know and I dont care.
but he is accountable, just as he was when Bern dominated at Saratoga and at Pimlico.
its his JOB to have the horse ready to run at his best.
everyone has bad days at their job, and Sat was his.


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Albertrani is indeed a classy guy, and handled the loss with dignity and class.
When I said he was outrun and outrained it was not a knock on him, it was meant as an incredible job by Kiarin.
Invasor missed his prep(the ole cough ) and Kiarin then had to get him ready to run on training alone. I'm shocked but guess I shouldn't be to be reading this crap on here on different threads that actually tries to make excuses for Bernadini. He had his ideal prep, he drew a great post(on that scraped inside track), and got a great trip getting first run on the speed. Invasor drew the 11 hole(other 4 dirt races were won by horses who drew post 1), missed his prep, and had to circle wide and motored on by Bern.
Albertrani did an awesoem job this year with Bern, he really did. He won a classic race with him, he kept him sound, and he ran 2nd in the BCC. Not much else you can really ask of a guy. Bern ran his race on BC day, he just wasn't anywhere near as good as Invasor. Quite frankly if Invasor met him again in a month he'd beat him by 5-7 lengths. The layoff and post worked against him.
Albertrani certainly has nothing to be ashamed of with this horse, he will be crowned a champion and noone can take that off his resume.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

What was he gonna say? I got outrun and outtrained? Because that is EXACTLY what happened on Saturday folks, exactly.
He had the benefit of Invasor "having a fever, LOL" and being forced to miss his last prep, while getting Bern his, and Invasor lost tons of ground on a track that was favoring rail running speed and Invasor blew by him with ease.
Kiarin fed him and the most sickeningly overglorified horse in history his nuts for dinner. It was truly a beautiful thing to behold.

LOL. Do you have the tcket from the Songster Saratoga race taped to your mirror?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

LOL. Do you have the tcket from the Songster Saratoga race taped to your mirror?

Stud,
Maybe he SHOULD have at least breezed him in a set maybe even one time, to sorta prepare him for being looked in the eye?
I love starting trouble like this thread by making one post and then going to bed. I woke up and found 70 responses. Its quite amusing.

[Danzig]

the training was fine, bernardini ran like he always did. why can't everyone recognize that? time was the same as his other efforts at this distance, similar beyer--just this time his talent wasn't head and shoulders over the competition. only invasor beat him, not like he was beat a mile, he just couldn't win by his usual margin, because he wasn't facing the same type of horses.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

the training was fine, bernardini ran like he always did. why can't everyone recognize that? time was the same as his other efforts at this distance, similar beyer--just this time his talent wasn't head and shoulders over the competition. only invasor beat him, not like he was beat a mile, he just couldn't win by his usual margin, because he wasn't facing the same type of horses.

Zieg while I agree with everything you wrote(I'm just loving all the Dini is the greatest horse who ever lived nitwits having to sit there and eat ****), fact is that he(Albertrani) had every edge over Invasor(KMC) in that race.
Albertrani wasn't the one who was forced to scratch his horse out of the JCGC, he got his ideal prep.
Kiarin and his brother Neal were forced to prepare Invasor off a WHITNEY LAYOFF!!!!!! And prepare he did!!!

Met Kiarin's brother Neal at a Jiffy Lube up here in Saratoga(already knew Kiarin) the day before I left for Kentucky, it was quite ironic. I had called Kiarin the day before to make an offer on a cheap NY bred he had for a Finger Lakes guy who is a client of mine. I was waiting for them to get done changing my oil and the lady behind the counter said "Mr McLaughlin, your car will be ready in 20 minutes" to the guy across from me. He had on a DUbai World Cup hat and red hair and I just looked at him and said "you just have to be Kiarins brother". He was also getting to travel down to Ky and we chatted about a few things, what a great guy. He said the horse had never trained better in his life, and I hope the folks who I passed that on to in the Friday night chat via telephone link got some.
Trust me, the good guys won that race.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud,

I love starting trouble like this thread by making one post and then going to bed. I woke up and found 70 responses. Its quite amusing.

Like the broke cousin who always shows up on Thanksgiving, it's good to know there are things in life you can count on.