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04-30-2012, 04:10 PM
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Pyro ran in the BG over poly, not dirt.
Otherwise, they are very similar. Both beat very suspect competition, and did it unimpressively in pretty slow times. I don't think he'll be a huge longshot either. He's sort of a hype horse, which will mean he gets overbet relative to his chances of winning. And yeah, I watched his win over TCI. What am I looking for that explains his popularity and overhype? Were you being facetious? 
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04-30-2012, 04:13 PM
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I understand that Pyro ran over poly, but he also utterly bombed. El Padrino's never had that kind of performance, regardless of the surface.
What do you consider longshot? 20-something-1? Because I think that's what you'll get on El Padrino. He'll certainly be much longer odds than Pyro's 5.7-1 back in 2008.
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04-30-2012, 04:14 PM
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04-30-2012, 04:16 PM
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Pyro was a very good 2YO who went into his 3YO season with a ton of fanfare. His two wins at FG to begin the year were wildly overrated because it seemed like he had been able to rally against negative pace setups when he was really just dominating slow horses. El Padrino was a maiden winner who narrowly picked up a G2 placing as a 2YO. His pair of wins in the alw race and the Risen Star are more impressive than Pyro's pair of victories early in 2008. His wide trip off a very slow pace on a track that was kind to speed at GP is a better race than it looks on paper in my opinion. I try not to read into his work too much because I wouldn't just about any other day of the year. But, he is going to be a longshot off a :53 and change drill at Palm Meadows, since there are so many workout darlings being raved about right now.
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04-30-2012, 04:21 PM
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P.S. - not sure folks who are inquiring about Liaison can really knock those looking to take a stab with El Padrino...
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04-30-2012, 04:36 PM
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Nick's explanation still doesn't do it for me, and yeah, while Pyro and El Padrino do have different circumstances, my assertation that they are similar in style and lack of speed, and an abundance of hype, it still stands.
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04-30-2012, 04:41 PM
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04-30-2012, 04:50 PM
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The rest of what you say is true enough.
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04-30-2012, 04:46 PM
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04-30-2012, 04:51 PM
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That being said, if the sire was IC, than El Padrino would obviously be a much better racehorse. This would all be a mute point.
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04-30-2012, 04:47 PM
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I went into the write up liking the fact that he showed potential to move forward off the FL Derby where he wasn't as bad as people might think. And fig-wise, he's actually been pairing up and is completely in line with all the obvious, lower-priced options. He has a good style for how I think the race flow is going develop as well. The problem, if he indeed has gone the wrong way, is that the Risen Star corker gutted him and Mark Valeski and it will be a while before he's back to where it appeared he was headed. While Jones & Jones may OK a start Wednesday after his jog, Valeski appears to be sideways right now as well..
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04-30-2012, 04:51 PM
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Glad this has generated discussion. Take a good look at the Derby charts from the last 7-8 years. Headed to a dinner but anxious to see more of everyone's thoughts later!
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04-30-2012, 04:53 PM
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While a bit better of a performance, perhaps, than his race in Louisianna, it really wasn't much to get excited about.
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04-30-2012, 04:56 PM
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