Obamacare is working

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

again, huge difference between mandating car insurance vs health... you have to buy it to protect 'the other guy', not yourself.
the liability portions are for those who suffer damages due to your causing an accident.
comp and collision are required by the lienholder to protect their financial interest while you owe money on the vehicle. once it's paid for, you can drop those coverages.

and of course you don't pay a penalty unless you get caught driving without it. and as many as 1 in 4 ark drivers chooses to do just that.
you can always decide not to buy a car if you don't want to buy car insurance, whereas obamacare doesn't let you opt out.

Those not having Health insurance are hurting the other guy which is you and I. Hospitals still are required to treat uninsured and cannot release those that are sickest unless there is a plan in place for their longer term care. This is breaking hospitals who are forced to raise their rates on all of us that do have health insurance which forces insurance companies to raise our rates. So those without insurance are hurting us more than themselves that is why I am for mandatory health insurance.

[Danzig]

the other guy, us, is hurting regardless of the law. those within 400% of federal poverty levels are going to be getting subsidies, both to pay premiums and their stop losses will also be subsidized. that money will be coming from where? us. premiums increasing-i read that some expect them to rise 30%. we're paying for that.
and i'm also wondering about copays and deductibles for those getting subsidies...who will pay those?

obamacare is a rotten law.

single payer!! that is the only way to actually fix all this mess.

and when do fed. budgets ever come in correctly? cbo is already jacking up the price. states and medicaid already going break, how will they pay for the increases, with some states already cutting their medicaid budgets?


we can either bite the bullet and do what needs doing, or just do like we do with so many other things-kick it down the road for our kids and grandkids to worry about.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

Those not having Health insurance are hurting the other guy which is you and I. Hospitals still are required to treat uninsured and cannot release those that are sickest unless there is a plan in place for their longer term care. This is breaking hospitals who are forced to raise their rates on all of us that do have health insurance which forces insurance companies to raise our rates. So those without insurance are hurting us more than themselves that is why I am for mandatory health insurance.

Purchasing your own health insurance, removing you from the role of public support (everyone supporting your health care) to self-support, with you paying for your own health care, is exactly why the individual mandate was created and pushed by the Republican party when they created "Obamacare" in the 1990's.

And that's exactly what it does. So strange the Republicans have turned the facts around to get people against self-responsibility (paying for your own health care) and removal of dependent but paying-capable people from support programs? They sure are good at messaging.

If the Republicans had been able to get Obamacare passed in the Gingrich/Clinton congress, as they wanted, we'd be alot better off as a country at this point in time. We wouldn't have 46 million children uninsured, with no health care. Romney went ahead and passed it in Mass, and it's vastly improved health care there, while lowering costs for everybody. It's a program proven to work.

Which is a reason why Obama adopted it - along with it being a Republican-created and long-supported program for starting to revamp private health care, without single payer.

Who would have thought that Republican hate and deliberate obstruction of this president would extend to screwing the American public, as the GOP denies support for their own health care reform in order to screw this president?

We should be ashamed, as a country, that 1/5 of our children live in poverty in America, get no health care and little food, and we have one of the highest neonatal death rates in the world.

Sad that Romney feels like he has to distance himself from his greatest achievement, Romneycare, in order to appease the Republicants on his right (i.e., the entire party). Kind of like the mantra heard during the Vietnam War, "we had to destroy the village in order to save it."

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Sad that Romney feels like he has to distance himself from his greatest achievement, Romneycare, in order to appease the Republicants on his right (i.e., the entire party). Kind of like the mantra heard during the Vietnam War, "we had to destroy the village in order to save it."

Romneycare is an achievement?

Just how much reality tv do you watch? Be honest, glue eater.

[Riot]

Hey, Coach, I see some of your fellow anarchists were arrested for trying to bomb things today. Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Riot

Hey, Coach, I see some of your fellow anarchists were arrested for trying to bomb things today. Keep up the good work!

Yeah and some of your ilk are posting derby specials on backpage. Herp de dur