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Old 11-05-2006, 08:20 AM
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Good horses lose races, he lost a race to a very very nice horse. A horse whos only lost one race, and that race being to the best horse running on the planet. He lost to an older horse, he lost to a proven horse, he lost to a fresh horse? He didnt pack it in, he didnt get over that track well, he wasnt the same horse that ran previous weeks. Hes probably at the end of his rope and he still dug in and gave a champions effort. Bernardini fans have nothing to be ashamed of, nor does the horse, or his connections. He tried and just got beat by a fresher horse.
Coming within a length of winning the BCC I think you can't really say that he didn't get over the track well or that he wasn't the same horse he had been. Everything else you said I agree with.

The outcome wasn't the same as in previous weeks due mainly I believe to this being a full field of much more accomplished runners than he has faced in the past. You may not want to believe it but this is a big determining factor in the outcome. It was a learning experience for him. He never faced the type of adversity that he faced yesterday, thats all. He did so quite admirably. It seems that many just don't pay attention to the way races are run.
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Old 11-05-2006, 08:27 AM
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To be honest after watching him through the onset of the race I thought he was getting nothing, he gamed his way over a surface he didnt care for. If you watch the race again you can see Javier asking him to pick it up about half way down the back stretch. He either didnt like the going, or he was just flat. Either way that wasnt the same horse that trounced foes in his previous starts. Invasor is a nice horse, a very nice horse, but I think Bernardini is as advertised. I would love to see him come back for a 4 year old season. In my opinion he was up against it today, he was due to bounce, the field was full of talent, he was out of his element, and he was up against older. You combine that with what I saw as a general dislike for the surface and he ran pretty damn good.
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Old 11-05-2006, 08:31 AM
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he actually ran the same time as he did in the gold cup. difference was that the horses yesterday could hang with him, unlike those in his previous starts.
but i couldn't believe it when i saw the last half took them over 51 seconds to cover. that's pretty bad.
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Old 11-05-2006, 08:33 AM
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He may have ran the same time, but he didnt run the same race. He was never comfortable.
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Old 11-05-2006, 08:35 AM
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i guess not, he was probably wondering what all those other horses were doing around him!
if he ran his standard race, well it just wasn't good enough yesterday. the time of the race fits in with his previous efforts. i think we saw bernies usual race, it just wasn't the same outcome.
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Old 11-05-2006, 08:40 AM
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Danzig, If this races numbers come out like his previous I will be shocked. You didnt see his previous races, you saw a bounce, and a horse who disliked a surface. You also saw a very nice race by invasor, however Im putting the beyer at 104.


Revised. Tanner just posted and I pulled the PP of Bernardini. How can that number 115 be correct?

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Old 11-05-2006, 09:18 AM
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Danzig, If this races numbers come out like his previous I will be shocked. You didnt see his previous races, you saw a bounce, and a horse who disliked a surface. You also saw a very nice race by invasor, however Im putting the beyer at 104.


Revised. Tanner just posted and I pulled the PP of Bernardini. How can that number 115 be correct?
How can it be correct? Please refer to the many previous posts by myself and others regarding the way races are run and the effect of competition.
Bottom line is he did take to the track, he ran his race, an extraordinary race, and just lost to another very good horse. The only people puzzled by this or scratching their heads are the ones who annointed him before he was fully proven out. Anyone could see he was an exceptionally talented horse but some of us wanted to wait and see what happened when he ran against the best before assuming he was the greatest thing we've ever seen.
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Old 11-05-2006, 09:57 AM
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Danzig, If this races numbers come out like his previous I will be shocked. You didnt see his previous races, you saw a bounce, and a horse who disliked a surface. You also saw a very nice race by invasor, however Im putting the beyer at 104.


Revised. Tanner just posted and I pulled the PP of Bernardini. How can that number 115 be correct?
no, i saw none of that. i didn't think he looked uncomfortable, esp when he made his move around the turn. uncomfortable horses that bounce and dislike the surface don't finish second in the bcc! he ran his race, but the comp he faced previously was nothing like yesterdays. tried and true veterans, bern the most lightly raced of the bunch.


i'd love to see him try again next year, unlike flower alley and others like him, i think bernie would be better than ever!!!!--along the lines of alysheba, hoty at four after losing the classic to ferdinand.
i'd like to see the top three from yesterday come back, but what are the odds of that happening??
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