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[Perrault Robbed]

Out of the commercial figures, who does the best job in terms of consistency?

Secondly, when you have a track like Santa Anita this meet that is just closing, how well can you gauge the times of the races? It leveled off a tad in terms of insane clockings as the meet wore on, but, all in all fractional and final times bordered on the absurdly fast to the point that I didnt even give them a look until maybe the last month of the meet or so. Does a track get so fast that it makes gauging fractional and final times vs track speed nearly impossible?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Perrault Robbed

Out of the commercial figures, who does the best job in terms of consistency?

In terms on final time figures... BRIS and Equibase make a lot of flawed figures.

Ragozin is brutally consistant with how they treat variants. Thoro-Graph is the opposite -- they split and break races loose like crazy. Other than that, they're the exact same product. Graphed sheet figures that bake wind, weight, and ground loss into the figures.

Beyers don't come back with the flaws like BRIS and Equibase. They screw with too many figures because of pace ... and when they do, this results in the Moss Pace Figures getting messed up. The Moss pace figures would be a lot better if the Beyers didn't cut races loose because of pace. Beyers are certainly better than Equibase and BRIS, though.

In terms of pace figures -- Moss pace figs are less flawed and better overall than Equibase and Bris. They do have some areas where you can find fault with them though, and some of the Moss's will come back absurd if they Beyers are messed with. CJ (pacefigures.com) does the best work I've seen of anyone with pace figures and I've learned a ton from him on the subject over the years.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Perrault Robbed

Secondly, when you have a track like Santa Anita this meet that is just closing, how well can you gauge the times of the races? It leveled off a tad in terms of insane clockings as the meet wore on, but, all in all fractional and final times bordered on the absurdly fast to the point that I didnt even give them a look until maybe the last month of the meet or so. Does a track get so fast that it makes gauging fractional and final times vs track speed nearly impossible?

No. The track can be insanely fast -- but it will be the same for everyone and that won't make figure making any more difficult.

Grade 1 horses might run 7 furlongs in 1:20 ... but $20K claimers will run 6.5 furlongs in 1:14 and change.

The real mess with track speed comes on days when it rains halfway thorugh a card -- and the track is sealed up and sometimes reharrowed again and the track super is doing maitenence work on it during the turf races. That happens at Saratoga a lot.