How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich

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Originally Posted by Riot

You got it all wrong. Completely backwards. Factually, yes, people on welfare and government subsidies, highest in the "red" states, tend to vote Republican.

The poorest states, the states with the most citizens on government assistance, both state and federal, are states that vote strongly Republican.

Here's a map where the states that take more in federal government assistance than they pay in taxes, the biggest "welfare states", are in red:



Here's a map of the way the states voted in the 2009 Presidential. Red is Republican:

This doesn't take into account population though. There are more people on some form of assistance in NY than there are people in some of the other states. Just because the wealthy NYers are footing the tax bill doesn't change what the real ratios are.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

This doesn't take into account population though.

Yes, that first map does indeed, by comparing it directly to tax input. The biggest welfare states, the states that take out more than they contribute, and receive it in government handouts , the "welfare states", are the red states in the first map.

Whatever way you calculate it, it is the poorest states that have the most children on welfare, adults on welfare, both on Medicaid, food stamps, etc. Those are the red states that vote Republican.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, that first map does indeed, by comparing it directly to tax input. The biggest welfare states, the states that take out more than they contribute, and receive it in government handouts , the "welfare states", are the red states in the first map.

Whatever way you calculate it, it is the poorest states that have the most children on welfare, adults on welfare, both on Medicaid, food stamps, etc. Those are the red states that vote Republican.

So the almost 2MM folks in NY somehow cost less than the 61K in North Dakota?

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Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, that first map does indeed, by comparing it directly to tax input. The biggest welfare states, the states that take out more than they contribute, and receive it in government handouts , the "welfare states", are the red states in the first map.

Whatever way you calculate it, it is the poorest states that have the most children on welfare, adults on welfare, both on Medicaid, food stamps, etc. Those are the red states that vote Republican.

The "richest" states would be California and NY I suppose?

No shot they do not have the highest numbers of people on some form of assistance.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The "richest" states would be California and NY I suppose?

No shot they do not have the highest numbers of people on some form of assistance.

That's not what the map says. The map delineates states that are "poor" - where the citizens receive more tax dollars in the form of welfare, medical, and food assistance, than the state population contributes to the rest of us. In other words, the top map is where we, all of us, on the federal and state level, are paying into those states, to support their citizens on welfare, medicaid, food assistance, child assistance, etc.

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http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco...tal-recipients

Welfare only (not food or medical assistance) in absolute population numbers (not percentage of population)

Rank States Amount
# 1 California: 1,085,627
# 2 New York: 341,004
# 3 Texas: 333,435
# 4 Pennsylvania: 207,429
# 5 Michigan: 202,469
# 6 Ohio: 188,108
# 7 Tennessee: 180,466
# 8 Washington: 140,721
# 9 Indiana: 140,571
# 10 Georgia: 132,003
# 11 Florida: 119,080
# 12 Arizona: 111,334
# 13 Missouri: 108,561
# 14 Massachusetts: 108,469
# 15 New Jersey: 101,854
# 16 Illinois: 99,952
# 17 Minnesota: 93,665
# 18 North Carolina: 83,906
# 19 Kentucky: 76,688
# 20 Virginia: 70,199
# 21 Maryland: 62,066
# 22 Louisiana: 56,157
# 23 Puerto Rico: 54,544
# 24 Iowa: 51,713
# 25 South Carolina: 48,028

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Originally Posted by Riot

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco...tal-recipients

Welfare only (not food or medical assistance)

Rank States Amount
# 1 California: 1,085,627
# 2 New York: 341,004
# 3 Texas: 333,435
# 4 Pennsylvania: 207,429
# 5 Michigan: 202,469
# 6 Ohio: 188,108
# 7 Tennessee: 180,466
# 8 Washington: 140,721
# 9 Indiana: 140,571
# 10 Georgia: 132,003
# 11 Florida: 119,080
# 12 Arizona: 111,334
# 13 Missouri: 108,561
# 14 Massachusetts: 108,469
# 15 New Jersey: 101,854
# 16 Illinois: 99,952
# 17 Minnesota: 93,665
# 18 North Carolina: 83,906
# 19 Kentucky: 76,688
# 20 Virginia: 70,199
# 21 Maryland: 62,066
# 22 Louisiana: 56,157
# 23 Puerto Rico: 54,544
# 24 Iowa: 51,713
# 25 South Carolina: 48,028

Well there you have it, thanks.
Cali and NY alone account for as much as just about every red state on here.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Well there you have it, thanks.
Cali and NY alone account for as much as just about every red state on here.

But they don't take out more in welfare than they put in. They put in, nationally, more than they take out. They are not "welfare receiving state" - they are a "we pay the welfare for the other states" state. Other states that are poor live off them. And those are mostly Republican states.

The states who have the greatest living off the largess of others, living off government programs of welfare, food aid, Medicaid, taking out more than they put in, are the poorest states, and are those that tend to vote Republican.

Jesus said help thy neighbors. Give to the poor. Worry about the least of these. The red states, who happen to also be the most religious states, certainly willingly take welfare help from the rich states. And you know? We, as a country, should help our poor and starving. And it doesn't take religion, plenty of atheists are generous to those in need. There is nothing wrong with that. That is not evil, or bad. Welfare reform in the 1990's eliminated lifetime welfare "queens" (something created out of thin air by Ronald Reagan, btw, for a campaign theme)

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Joey and Clip-Clop: what did you think of the Rolling Stone article, and the history of the modern Republican party?

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Originally Posted by Riot

Joey and Clip-Clop: what did you think of the Rolling Stone article, and the history of the modern Republican party?

I am totally dis-satisfied with the actions of the federal government since I started following things very closely in '91. I feel that my party (R) has abandoned me and the great many like me over that time.
The article was a bit opinion laden for my tastes but for the most part an accurate portrayal.
I would have appreciated the author possibly mentioning that during his first two years in office with control over the house and senate the Obama White House did absolutely nothing to counter-act what they criticized all along.