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![]() http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...h-care-mandate
just read this on msnbc, not looking too promising for obama's signature legislation according to the writer. but who knows?
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![]() Strike it down and then vote him out. At this point you could put Curly from The Three Stooges in office. At least he wouldn't race bait.
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I've read "court watcher" reports today that look now like it will be a 6-3 win, and a 5-4 defeat. That the judges are asking very tough questions can mean they are clearing all doubt from their minds, or doubling down on what they are concerned about. We won't know until June. I'm more optimistic, after reading stuff about today, that it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in favor. If it is overturned, we must go to national single payer to control our skyrocking healthcare costs, so some on the far left are hoping for a defeat. The judges did acknowledge that in the discussion today, which points in favor of upholding the mandate.
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![]() Hah single payer. You're living in fantasyland. They don't have enough printer ink at the treasury to maintain that monstrosity.
It's over. Best case scenario is they let it slide and it fails miserably on its own. The people who don't work for exempt companies will be forced to buy their insurance on the exchange or face a tax. What are they going to do about jobs? Pay isn't increasing. Are they going to throw everyone who doesn't pay the tax in debtor's prison? Good luck trying to bleed a turnip. |
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The other thing in favor of upholding the mandate is that the health insurance companies have lots of skin in the game; they would be devastated if the SCOTUS strikes down the mandate, but lets the rest of Obamacare play on. Listening to NPR tonight, their commentators thought that everything depended on Kennedy, the swing vote. Not a good day for the government. Ocala Mike |
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![]() there are myriad issues with health care, we all know that. but this issue would be best handled by the states, which is where it belongs. arkansas for example has arkids, which works much better than medicare. the attempts on deciding who needs premium supplements/grants based on income alone is a bad move. what is good money in one state or region is not in another. a family of four making close to 90k annually here or in texas, missouri, etc probably wouldn't have a need for help paying their insurance-in new york city, they would need assistance. and that's just one of the many issues with the health care law. does our way of doing things medically need changing? absolutely. but obamacare isn't the cure.
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Vermont, for example, is going with a more advanced single payer system as the state Obamacare exchange. BTW, the Republican states that are refusing to do so, will get the generic federal "one-size-fits-all" exchange. Here's detail, with a map, from January on where each state is in the exchange setup process: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ernors-exposed Yes, I wish the public were far better educated on Obamacare. Because at this point, if it is overturned (other than the mandate alone), every single American looses current protections it has given them against insurance company consumer abuses.
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It's insanity. Eventually the rent comes due. They may be able to kick the can another decade but at some point it's all going to collapse. |
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![]() What do you think about Obamacare extending the life of Medicare 20 years?
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![]() One opinion about the oral arguments today, predicts a 7-2 win (with Thomas and Scalia dissenting)
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![]() Sounds like a forecast, I have read 12 in most opinion pieces but see nothing that is written in the actual law yet. Though I am only on page 677 so far. As a small business owner whose employees make a decent wage all I have seen so far has not been pleasant.
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Pretty simple: you keep providing insurance as you do now, and gain huge tax credits; or you do not have to provide insurance, and nothing changes for you. What part do you fear is "not pleasant"? What specifically are you talking about? Quote:
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and what's the bolded part in reference to?
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