I liked Ike..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Shoot i would have voted yea when presented with the 'facts' given at the time...as we all found out later all the 'reasons' were a pack of complete lies by the Bush war mongers...

Let me post my favorite quote on the subject...


'When Bush stood with his arm around a NY fireman after the 9/11 attacks promising to find whoever did this to the nation, he was every American's president. His polls soared. He had a unique opportunity to unite America, to bring the U.S. together with allies round the world to fight terrorism and hate, to eliminate al-Qaida, to eliminate our vulnerabilities, to strengthen important nations threatened by radicalism. He did NONE of those things..He invaded Iraq!....excerpt from Richard Clarke's book..

i understand what happened back then. i also know we've done nothing but add to the mistakes since. my point was and is that the democrats and their supporters are being disingenuous when trying to lay these two pseudo-wars only at the feet of bush and the republicans, while denying all culpability and claiming they were mislead. so, what's happened in the ten years since to rectify the mistakes made? nothing.
and yes, bush blew it-with the full support of congress, both democrats and republicans then and since then. throwing more and more men and money away on the mistakes made over a decade ago.


oh, and i liked ike. helluva general.

[Danzig]

also, keep in mind that there were plenty of senators and house members who voted NO on whether to invade iraq. they took a lot of heat for that at the time. i think people get confused that the overwhelming first vote to do what we must gets all the press, but there were plenty of voices against invading iraq. problem is, they didn't get listened to. the ones who voted yes then claimed they were lied to-but what about all the nays? did they not get lied to?
or maybe the lying was just an excuse later?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i understand what happened back then. i also know we've done nothing but add to the mistakes since. my point was and is that the democrats and their supporters are being disingenuous when trying to lay these two pseudo-wars only at the feet of bush and the republicans, while denying all culpability and claiming they were mislead. so, what's happened in the ten years since to rectify the mistakes made? nothing.
and yes, bush blew it-with the full support of congress, both democrats and republicans then and since then. throwing more and more men and money away on the mistakes made over a decade ago.


oh, and i liked ike. helluva general.

I agree we've done nothing to fix anything...but if not at Bush's feet, who's?
I know, get over it!...I can't, since March-03 i've suffered from anti-Bush syndrome...Said 1000 times, in and out of Afgan in one year, kill bin laden and route the Taliban...game over...but no, Bush already planning invasion of a sovereign country for reasons of his own...No Iraq, no fuked up country..oh and no black President...Oh, and 15 of 19 911 terrorists were Saudis, why didn't we invade them?...Maybe he was too busy kissing Saudi asz....Obama won't/can't fix schit.. Even JC would throw up his hands...
We like war and if you have brown people we are gonna bomb the schit out of you---George Carlin..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I agree we've done nothing to fix anything...but if not at Bush's feet, who's?
I know, get over it!...I can't, since March-03 i've suffered from anti-Bush syndrome...Said 1000 times, in and out of Afgan in one year, kill bin laden and route the Taliban...game over...but no, Bush already planning invasion of a sovereign country for reasons of his own...No Iraq, no fuked up country..oh and no black President...Oh, and 15 of 19 911 terrorists were Saudis, why didn't we invade them?...Maybe he was too busy kissing Saudi asz....Obama won't/can't fix schit.. Even JC would throw up his hands...
We like war and if you have brown people we are gonna bomb the schit out of you---George Carlin..

i'm not saying don't place blame on bush. what i'm saying is that the next ten years aren't just bush's fault. and i'm not saying get over it, i don't think anyone should. but i think it's a mistake to continue a bad policy-and we don't have to. but here we are.

it's no more all bush's fault than it is all obama's fault. it's our govt's fault. both parties, all the 'leaders'. look at the report that came out a few months ago that showed what group of people has made money during all this economic turmoil. the federals! members of congress, etc.