A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

That's mean!!

Naw. It's ignorant, childish and stupid. Like Limbaugh Dell won't or can't address the actual numbered incidences of voter fraud, so he has to call names instead.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw. It's ignorant, childish and stupid. Like Limbaugh Dell won't or can't address the actual numbered incidences of voter fraud, so he has to call names instead.

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

Nearly all of the few cases of voter fraud in this country are not correctable by showing a photo ID (most cases are done by election officials).

It's a lie that there is "massive voter fraud" and we "need" voter ID. For 34 REPUBLICAN states to suddenly think that's needed before the 2012 election? When there is virtually zero history of ID-correctable fraud in this country?

Wake up and smell the Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Republican Party attempting to take back power. For goodness sakes, Dell, they have SAID that is the reason they are pushing voter ID for 2012.

Nobody has a problem with "showing ID". It's the methods. Like requiring voter ID, then closing down DMV offices where it's obtained in poor neighborhoods of northern Wisconsin - so elderly and poor would have to drive 60 plus miles to obtain it.

Like Texas making photo student ID's (young students tend to vote Democratic) not good enough, but photo gun registration cards (tend to vote Republican) okay.

If you pretend to be libertarian, concern about people disinfranchising up to 5 million voters in the next election should really worry you.

It is estimated that 1 in 5 black/brown people do not drive, or have the necessary photo ID. As opposed to 1 in 10 white people. THAT is the point of this. The Republican Party knows which way the demographics are trending over the next 20 years, and whites will be the minority quickly.

The Justice Department is all over this, as is their responsibility defending the rights of US citizens, and implementation of restrictive laws have frozen many of these states.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

One is too many cases! I addressed an incident; you post 38 prosecutions, most thrown out, call me Limbaugh and in one of your patented distorted breaks from reality accuse me of calling you a name?

Why is it that Democrats have a problem showing ID?

Is it related to wanting everything for free, no questions asked?

no, doesn't have to do with free. democrats don't want id to be shown because it would be their segment of supporters that might be affected.

so, if there was a poll to show it would affect traditionally republican voters, dems would want it yesterday. you know, not because it's the right thing to do. or that it's logical. it all has to do with how it would affect elections.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, doesn't have to do with free. democrats don't want id to be shown because it would be their segment of supporters that might be affected.

That is precisely correct. Voter ID laws that target restriction of voting rights to one specific segment of the population are illegal.

That's why North or South (I can't remember) Carolina's voting law changes were immediately halted by the Justice Department. Clearly restrictive against a particular segment of the population: black voters.

[Riot]

Breaking this afternoon. Good news: 220,000 or more current voters will not be wrongly disinfranchised and wrongly prevented from voting in the next election.

Dane County Circuit Judge David Flanagan issued an injunction today temporarily barring the implementation of Wisconsin's new Voter ID law. The injunction means the new rules will not be in effect for the April 3rd presidential primary and local elections.

The ruling (pdf) indicates that the judge relied heavily on testimony from UW professor Kenneth Mayer, a respected expert on election laws who is firmly non-partisan. Mayer estimated that at least 220,000 otherwise eligible Wisconsin voters lack an approved form of identification stipulated by the law.

The first thing that struck me about the ruling was the reminder that in order to receive a temporary injunction, the parties must be able to show that they are likely to win the permanent injunction. The temporary injunction is proof that the judge expects the plaintiffs to prevail.

You can read the original ruling PDF via link here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...aw?via=siderec

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From WisStateJournal:

A Dane County judge on Tuesday barred the enforcement of the state photo ID law at polling places during the general election on April 3, calling it an "extremely broad and largely needless" impairment of the right to vote.

Circuit Judge David Flanagan said the Milwaukee Branch of the NAACP and Voces de la Frontera had demonstrated that their lawsuit against Gov. Scott Walker and the state Government Accountability Board would probably succeed on its merits and had demonstrated the likelihood of irreparable harm if the photo ID law is allowed to stand. (Read the injunction here)

Flanagan granted a temporary injunction ordering Walker and the GAB to "cease immediately any effort to enforce or implement the photo identification requirements" of the law, pending a trial on a permanent injunction scheduled before him on April 16.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...#ixzz1oO4iAYJN

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

From WisStateJournal:

A Dane County judge on Tuesday barred the enforcement of the state photo ID law at polling places during the general election on April 3, calling it an "extremely broad and largely needless" impairment of the right to vote.

Circuit Judge David Flanagan said the Milwaukee Branch of the NAACP and Voces de la Frontera had demonstrated that their lawsuit against Gov. Scott Walker and the state Government Accountability Board would probably succeed on its merits and had demonstrated the likelihood of irreparable harm if the photo ID law is allowed to stand. (Read the injunction here)

Flanagan granted a temporary injunction ordering Walker and the GAB to "cease immediately any effort to enforce or implement the photo identification requirements" of the law, pending a trial on a permanent injunction scheduled before him on April 16.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...#ixzz1oO4iAYJN

Did you forget to mention that the so called impartial judge that granted this injuction signed a recall petition against walker. So much for being impartial. But why report all the facts but just for your info


Records show Flanagan signed the Walker recall petition on Nov. 15. The petition lists Flanagan's wife, Maureen McGlynn Flanagan, as the one who circulated the petitiion.

Contacted Tuesday, McGlynn Flanagan - a former assistant attorney general - confirmed that she had gathered signatures in hopes of recalling the first-term Republican governor. She also confirmed that her husband had signed one of the petitions that she circulated.

The Journal Sentinel left a message with Flanagan's chambers asking whether he had signed a recall petition. His clerk called back to say Flanagan would only answer questions submitted in writing at the courthouse.

State Republican Party spokesman Ben Sparks said his party will be filing a complaint with the state Judicial Commission asking it to investigate why Flanagan did not recuse himself.

"The very fact that Dane County Judge David Flanagan signed a petition to recall Governor Walker calls today's court proceedings regarding Wisconsin's voter ID law into question," Sparks said in a statement. "To make matters more troubling, Judge Flanagan also lists Melisa Mulliken, a longtime adviser to Kathleen Falk, as his campaign manager on his offical campaign web page."