Charles Town Spill -- 7 of 8 horses DNF.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by robfla

I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

Exactly. I think it's 50% in California.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The chart indicates it was paid to the winner. I'm not sure that is right, I thought usually it just reverts back to the purse fund. Who knows what they do at CT though?

Most places pay all to the winner

Way back when when I was at Yonkers we had a similar race where only 1 horse finished. The horse had broke stride and was way behind and kind of weaved his way through the carnage to cross the wire.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by robfla

I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

I posted on the assumption that if they had such a rule (or did not have one), that they followed it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I saw this happen live last night, and since Doug admitted to betting on the race I will admit it as well. How is this not stealing from the bettors? I can understand WPS payouts, but EX- TRI- SF bets should be refunded in this case. ALL PLAYERS get screwed and the track gets over on people?????

Once the horses leave the gate unless there is some sort of track malfunction (gate stuck on track, lights go off, etc.) the horses are declared starters. If it had been a claiming race and there was a claim it would have been valid as well.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Most places pay all to the winner

Way back when when I was at Yonkers we had a similar race where only 1 horse finished. The horse had broke stride and was way behind and kind of weaved his way through the carnage to cross the wire.

I know Aqueduct had a race where two horses finished and the money reverted back, 2009.

[Travis Stone]

I think the fairest way is to distribute the winner share of the purse to the winner, and the rest goes back into the account. To penalize one outfit because no one else finished the race seems a bit harsh, especially because that horse ran a race and is effectively down a start with no return.

As for the wagering... that's tough. This is horse racing, and stuff is going to happen, we all know that going in when we place a bet. I think paying the win pool out and then treating the rest of the wagers with ALL's underneath in ex/tri/super is fair. If you do that, then I think the multi-race wagers should payoff with that horse being the winner, because the others were paid off as such.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by robfla

why was there a consolation "ALL" paid on the pick 3 and double closing in that race? Doesn't seem right if they paid the win slot. I guess that's WV for you.

The ALL payoffs were not for the spill race, but the canceled 9th.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by robfla

I believe some states have rules on how many starters must finish in order for it to be an official race

that's what i thought too, which is why i asked. perhaps they had no rule, which is what caused the long wait...and perhaps there will be a rule spelled out in future there. it's not as tho every possible scenario is thought of beforehand to produce a rule.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

The hardest thing to understand in this whole situation is......how can you bet on LSU.

I got inside information that Meyer Lansky bet Tennessee.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I know Aqueduct had a race where two horses finished and the money reverted back, 2009.

There was a 1 horse race at Colonial a few years back and I'm pretty sure the winner got the entire purse. Amoss trained the winner and Karamonos rode the horse and at the 1/4 pole the horse ducked out and almost dropped him. Might have been the first horse to lose a walkover.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There was a 1 horse race at Colonial a few years back and I'm pretty sure the winner got the entire purse. Amoss trained the winner and Karamonos rode the horse and at the 1/4 pole the horse ducked out and almost dropped him. Might have been the first horse to lose a walkover.

I remember that race. Found the chart

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...AY=D&STYLE=EQB

[cmorioles]

It shows a purse of $17,000, but they paid out only $14535. That is an odd percentage. There was also an $8,500 bonus for the Virginia Breeders Fund that reverted, but that doesn't explain the other $2465. Weird stuff.

[tiggerv]

No idea how they got that payout figure. The horse in the walkover was actually still running as recently as last summer at Mountaineer as a 9yo.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It shows a purse of $17,000, but they paid out only $14535. That is an odd percentage. There was also an $8,500 bonus for the Virginia Breeders Fund that reverted, but that doesn't explain the other $2465. Weird stuff.

I think he just got the winners share as a VA bred

60% of 17000=10200
60% of 8400=5040
15240-usual bullshit that they take out=14535

Originally Posted by Danzig

what i don't understand is how it wasn't declared no contest.

There are different rules in various jurisdictions. Here's what we use in California

1544. Calling off Race.
(a) If the stewards determine a race cannot start before midnight or cannot be conducted in accordance with the Board’s rules and regulations, they shall cancel and call off such race.
(b) The stewards may declare a race no contest if mechanical failure or interference during the running of the race affects the majority of horses in such race.
(c) Any wagers on races called off, canceled, or declared no contest shall be refunded, and no purse, prize or stakes shall be awarded.
(d) If a race is called off, canceled, or declared no contest, any submitted claims shall be void.
(e) A race shall be canceled if no horse covers the course.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I got inside information that Meyer Lansky bet Tennessee.

That's a good angle, almost as good as......well......you know.

[trackrat59]

For those of you hopeful that there were as few injuries to jockeys and horses as possible under these circumstances, here's an update.

One jockey in the hospital with no life threatening injuries and one horse lost. Amazing that is was not more.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/sto...ockey-Injured/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

For those of you hopeful that there were as few injuries to jockeys and horses as possible under these circumstances, here's an update.

One jockey in the hospital with no life threatening injuries and one horse lost. Amazing that is was not more.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/sto...ockey-Injured/

that is amazing considering that whole incident. also read that the race just before that one had a horse break down. i know CT is saying the track conditions aren't what made them cancel the final race, but knowing that two races in a row had incidents, i'm not so sure i believe that.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that is amazing considering that whole incident. also read that the race just before that one had a horse break down. i know CT is saying the track conditions aren't what made them cancel the final race, but knowing that two races in a row had incidents, i'm not so sure i believe that.

CT is dangerous. I can't tell you how many breakdowns I've seen first hand happening at one particular area of the track. They should fix the issues once and for all or shut the place down.

I don't go there any more.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that is amazing considering that whole incident. also read that the race just before that one had a horse break down. i know CT is saying the track conditions aren't what made them cancel the final race, but knowing that two races in a row had incidents, i'm not so sure i believe that.

The surface looked like a wading pool and there was torrential rain. Other than that everything looked great.