Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Very classy. You should be so proud. Humor at another hurting human's expense.

What makes the internet such a lovely place.

Hold your head high. It must be a great day for you.

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease? None of those self inflicted.

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unbeileveable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease?

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unblieveable!

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, i've never bought into it being a disease. you can't decide to put down the cancer bottle, or the ms bottle. i think they started calling it a disease so that insurance companies would start covering the treatment, but i'm sure that's just the cynic in me. as for it being an addiction, so hard to overcome...i smoked for 15 years, which was half my life when i quit cold turkey. so, even tho many say it's such a hard nut to crack, i didn't find it to be so at all. you just have to make up your mind. tyler needs to get to that point-the sooner the better.
and funny, those times i have come to your defense on here in the past, i bet you didn't think i was ignorant and insensitive. appreciate that.

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Coming to my defense over internet drivel and not knowing what the entire worldwide medical community now agree upon is two very different things.

"You just have to make up your mind" Good chance those are the 8 most assinine words ever posted on any message board about any subject.

Unbelieveable!

i'm pretty sure that i've heard people say many times that there are people who have to hit rock bottom before they realize that's where they'd been headed all along, and then decide to do something about it. that's what i meant by 'you have to make up your mind'. sadly, not everyone hits rock bottom and is able to pull themselves back up. some shoot right thru the bottom.
forgive my being so asinine; make no mistake, i do hope tyler is able to pull himself out of his mess. it always boggles my mind when people waste their life.

tyler's in a bad spot, and i do hope he gets out of it.

[Honu]

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

My brother died in 2005 from drinking, he couldnt stop, not mentally or physically. My birth father is also an alcoholic as well as another brother who if it wasnt that he was incarcirated for 12 years would most likely be dead as well. For some reason my oldest brother and I are not like the other two in that we can drink but its not like it is or was with the other two.

My oldest brother and I are a lot alike. Before I got sober, we could go toe to toe, drink for drink. My brother that just passed away, the most alcohol he ever had in one setting was 7 beers and my sister is the same way as him, she can take it or leave it. Neither of my parents drink.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

If you don't know what's wrong with that posting. Explaining it to you would be useless.

Is it the FAULT of someone that's hurting because of Cancer, or MS or any other debilitating disease? None of those self inflicted.

Your ignorance and insensitivity is even more frightening than Coach's hate.

Unbeileveable!

Yeah Vic....... an alcoholic who has had many chances to straighten out and people who get cancer is a great comparison. You are a jagoff of the highest order.

Nice job with that whining letter where you completely threw Wrona under the bus. Funny coming from a guy who all the time preaches about the announcers "brotherhood". What's next? You gonna slash John Dooley's tires hoping he will miss work and get fired from Fair Grounds....then send a letter begging for the job?

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yeah Vic....... an alcoholic who has had many chances to straighten out and people who get cancer is a great comparison. You are a jagoff of the highest order.

Nice job with that whining letter where you completely threw Wrona under the bus. Funny coming from a guy who all the time preaches about the announcers "brotherhood". What's next? You gonna slash John Dooley's tires hoping he will miss work and get fired from Fair Grounds....then send a letter begging for the job?

Alcoholism and Cancer are both diseases.

Don't take my word for it.

You're a learned person.

Do the research.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Alcoholism and Cancer are both diseases.

Don't take my word for it.

You're a learned person.

Do the research.

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

So people who get skin cancer and die from it deserve what they got because they didnt wear sunscreen or stay out of sun? They had a choice you know.

[dagolfer33]

They just had one of the most horrific spills I have ever seen at Charles Town. Holy shiat.

8 of 9 horses and riders down.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Honu

So people who get skin cancer and die from it deserve what they got because they didnt wear sunscreen or stay out of sun? They had a choice you know.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. People who get any kind of cancer get choices after they are first diagnosed. They have a choice if they want it to go away...they have complete control. All they have to do is stop having cancer. Very similar to alcoholics who have the choice to stop after they become alcoholics.

Congrats....you are now a coupled entry with Stauffer in the next running of the Douchebag Derby.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it."

Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Not recognizing alcoholism as a disease is like assuming that the mentally ill just need to "snap out of it." Defined:

In a 1992 JAMA article, the Joint Committee of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence, Inc. (NCADD) and the American Society of Addiction Medicine (ASAM) published this definition for alcoholism:
“Alcoholism is a primary chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, mostly denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.”

didn't see the connection when genuine risk said that earlier in the thread, and still don't see it now. because someone has an opinion about one doesn't mean there's a correlation to the other. posting the definition again probably won't change minds either, since everyone had the ability to read further down in that link i posted that shows not even the entire medical community agrees that alcoholism is a disease. if a trained professional disagrees, why are you so shocked that posters here have their own thoughts on the matter?

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Sorry Vic...I don't buy it. You want to call them diseases...fine. One disease you have absolutely no control of getting it, the other "disease" you have complete control of getting it. You should be ashamed of grouping them together as similar.

Baze had a huge career in front of him and threw it all away for booze. He's weak...end of story.

Actually many will say that humans do have control over getting many forms of cancer and other diseases.

It's a medical certainty that smoking makes a person much much more likely to get lung cancer and or emphysema.

Chewing tobacco greatly enhances ones chances of being afflicted with throat cancer.

Bad diet and obesity contribute to diabetes.

I could list a myriad of others.

Your statement is preposterous.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Actually many will say that humans do have control over getting many forms of cancer and other diseases.

It's a medical certainty that smoking makes a person much much more likely to get lung cancer and or emphysema.

Chewing tobacco greatly enhances ones chances of being afflicted with throat cancer.

Bad diet and obesity contribute to diabetes.

I could list a myriad of others.

Your statement is preposterous.

I would have thought you may have commented on another subject other than Cancer and Diabetes today.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Actually many will say that humans do have control over getting many forms of cancer and other diseases.

It's a medical certainty that smoking makes a person much much more likely to get lung cancer and or emphysema.

Chewing tobacco greatly enhances ones chances of being afflicted with throat cancer.

Bad diet and obesity contribute to diabetes.

I could list a myriad of others.

Your statement is preposterous.

People get addicted to high fructose corn syrup, aspartame and msg. You're not going to see too much government funded research on it. It's a soft kill.

When you feel sorry for people with food addictions and defend them like alchys then I'll believe your feigned outrage. Until then shut the f.uck up. You've ruined a thread because you have to overblow everything.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what was wrong with it? the guy is mocking someone who is wasting his life and talents. i don't know that tyler is the victim here. his issues are self-inflicted. he has the ability to rise above it, but right now chooses not to. if he's hurting, it's his own fault.

Perhaps not. That's what's wrong with your theory.