Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you need help. Walker is not challenging signatures because there most likely ARE enough valid signatures to support the recall election. You of course missed the point AGAIN!

And you miss the point, that your claims of fraud regarding up to half the signatures in excess of what are needed is simply howling in the wind, unproven allegation.

here are fraudlent, duplicate, illegal signatures on the recall petitions. You know it and there is proof of a lot of this out there for you to see for yourself.

Nonsense. I know there is NOT massive fraud on those petitions. I know that those very signatures are public, have been for two months now, and if there WERE so many "fraudulent, duplicate, illegal" signature, the percentage, and the actual signatures, would be listed by Walker and minions.

Even if the percentage were only 5%, or the 18% normally expected in any recall election, Walker and minions would factually list what they have found: that 5%, 10%, or even 20% of the signatures have been found fraudulent. Even if it's not enough to halt the recall election.

It's not there. They are not listing it, because it's not there, except in the internet conspiracy theories the Walker minions are desperately hanging on to. So stop pretending it is.

Those signatures were already triple checked before submission. At best, the error rate would be 2-5%. Walker knows that.

So you and the other angry Walker supporters pretending that up to 50% are fraud is simply ridiculous and without fact. But it makes a good victim story. For Walker to prove that only less than 5% of the signatures are (not fraud, but disallowable) ruins that story. That's why he's not done it.

Fortunately voters are going to be disenfranchised in the recall election and actually have to show a photo ID to vote so Walker already has an advantage

Wow. You are not even saying that as a joke, are you?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you miss the point, that your claims of fraud regarding up to half the signatures in excess of what are needed is simply howling in the wind, unproven allegation.



Nonsense. I know that those very signatures are public, have been for two months now, and if there WERE so many "fraudulent, duplicate, illegal" signature, the percentage, and the actual signatures, would be listed by Walker and minions.

Even if the percentage were only 5%, or the 18% normally expected in any recall election, Walker and minions would factually list what they have found: that 5%, 10%, or even 20% of the signatures have been found fraudulent. Even if it's not enough to halt the recall election.

It's not there. They are not listing it, because it's not there, except in the internet conspiracy theories the Walker minions are desperately hanging on to. So stop pretending it is.

Those signatures were already triple checked before submission. At best, the error rate would be 2-5%. Walker knows that.



Wow. You are not even saying that as a joke, are you?

If the signatures were triple checked before submission how come they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted? Were a million signatures submitted? or was it slightly less (20%) than 1 million?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If the signatures were triple checked before submission how come they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted?

That's not true

Do you just pull this made-up stuff out of thin air?

[Antitrust32]

wiphan,

it's pointless to keep trying...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

wiphan,

it's pointless to keep trying...

That's because Wiphan is full of nonsense. It's ridiculous, and hilarious. The number of straw men alone sets a new record.

Face it: the signatures are publicly available on the internet. If any of the nonsense about allegations of massive "fraud" the Walker minions were saying was true, it would be easily provable by them.

Yet ... they keep saying it, without proving it.

And when you ask them to prove it, they change the subject.

We're waiting, and I'm sure we'll keep waiting until after Walker is recalled. And after the recall election, they will still be complaining of "massive fraud", because it makes them feel better than realizing the person they voted for is a failure who is undergoing a historic recall.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's because Wiphan is full of nonsense. It's ridiculous, and hilarious. The number of straw men alone sets a new record.

Face it: the signatures are publicly available on the internet. If any of the nonsense about allegations of massive "fraud" the Walker minions were saying was true, it would be easily provable by them.

Yet ... they keep saying it, without proving it.

And when you ask them to prove it, they change the subject.

We're waiting, and I'm sure we'll keep waiting until after Walker is recalled. And after the recall election, they will still be complaining of "massive fraud", because it makes them feel better than realizing the person they voted for is a failure who is undergoing a historic recall.

I've read the back and forth and it's you that seems to be pulling **** from left field.

wiphan is saying that there are 800k signatures, not 1 million. 200k is a massive difference and if correct, its manipulative for the media to say there are 1 million signatures.

That's what he's been saying. I have no idea what you have been going on and on about.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I've read the back and forth and it's you that seems to be pulling **** from left field.

wiphan is saying that there are 800k signatures, not 1 million. 200k is a massive difference and if correct, its manipulative for the media to say there are 1 million signatures.

That's what he's been saying. I have no idea what you have been going on and on about.

No, Wiphan is making allegations of massive fraud in the signature collection process, an allegation that he has so far has completely failed to prove.

You're off on one of the straw man tangents he's using to distract from that.

Tell us, Wiphan: out of all the signatures collected for Walker, what is the actual number of signatures collected, and what is the actual number of signatures that have been disallowed as invalid? Please list both "Walker" numbers, and GAB numbers.

Because your whole argument is that there is a huge difference between those two numbers. So tell us what those numbers are. Or stop making unproven allegations of "massive fraud".

(you call any false signature "fraud", which is baloney. Signatures can be disallowed for not having an address, etc. which means there is a greater chance, over just "fraud", to disallow signatures)

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not true

Do you just pull this made-up stuff out of thin air?

So how about if there are 1 million plus signatures submitted I will not post in politics for 30 days. If there are less than 1 million signatures you can't post in politics for 30 days. Deal? The number of signatures to be determined by the GAB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

So how about if there are 1 million plus signatures submitted I will not post in politics for 30 days. If there are less than 1 million signatures you can't post in politics for 30 days. Deal? The number of signatures to be determined by the GAB

Your allegation was that they can't even count the actual number of signatures submitted.

You said, "If the signatures were triple checked before submission how come they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted?"

I said, "That's not true".

Now, above, you are changing your mind, you say there is an actual number? And you know what that number is?

Yes, there is an actual number. It has been published. Thanks for admitting that And thanks for admitting that your statement, " ... they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted" was completely false, and you apparently knew it.

Really, Wiphan .... stick to the truth in defending your Governor.

[bigrun]

I nominate Clyde to keep score on the 30 days...whoever is in the penalty box...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I nominate Clyde to keep score on the 30 days...whoever is in the penalty box...

Can I start just making stuff up out of thin air, too?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can I start just making stuff up out of thin air, too?

this quote is like being handed something on a silver platter!!!

Thanks Riot!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can I start just making stuff up out of thin air, too?

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