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11-03-2006, 12:33 PM
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As is my usual mo in cases like this (or any case where there are accusations of wrongdoing)...I will wait for the evidence and presume nothing until then! Speaking in generalities...I feel that many so-called leaders of the religious right preach an impossible standard that they themselves fall far short of meeting...and that is hypocrisy! The Bakers, Swaggert, Oral Roberts...even Billy Graham have been found wanting when held to the standards they preach! I think that is understandable and when I am perfect, I'll start casting stones BUT...you can't spend your life looking down on the sins of others unless you are without sin yourself!
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11-03-2006, 12:43 PM
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I think homosexuality is completely, utterly, normal and I think it's a crying shame that some people buy so completely into what their religious leaders think that they spiral into incredible self-hatred and wind up perpetuating the hate they themselves fear.
But it's tough-- Moses and Paul are both pretty clear about homosexuality, unless one is really loose with the translations of those verses, but then, Jesus himself never said anything about it (I don't know the Koran well enough to know how it is addressed in Islam, though fundamentalist Moslems and Christians seem to hold the exact same position on homosexuality-- who says there's no common ground?). If you're religious and also gay-- not an easy place to be. But hey, I think it's normal. And if this latest scandal exhausts the gay-bashing wing of the fundamentalists for a while, then good. We can all do with a little less hatred.
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11-03-2006, 01:14 PM
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Somer Frost and Genuine Risk,
Thanks for your input. I know that Jesus didn't condemn the woman that was brought before Him. He said, "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone." So, nor will I cast a stone at Ted Haggard. In my view, government should have no involvement with determining who one choses to love. The irony of this situation amazes. It is written, "All things will be revealed." And so they continue to be.... DTS
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11-03-2006, 02:08 PM
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well, after reading the article....i'd hate to have such charges levelled at me, and unless and until there is absolute PROOF, than no way should anyone level any accusations, or condemn this man.
put yourself in his shoes--what if this guy Jones (and his credibility would absolutely be questionable) said this about you? what if it was false, that he is indeed attacking this guy due to his stance about same sex marriage? of course anyone who puts themself out there as an absolutely moral person, almost a 'saint', they have a very difficult row to hoe, as any mis-step can lead to just this type of situation. very often you find the truth lies somewhere between one mans accusal, and the other mans rebuttal. my take personally--any behavior between consenting ADULTS is no one else's business but their's!!!
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11-03-2006, 02:32 PM
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11-03-2006, 03:02 PM
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just read an update (within last hour) that haggard 'fessed up to buying meth, and receiving a massage.
buying meth is between him, his wife and the cops i suppose--altho there is a constitutional right regarding self-incrimination.... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/...allegations_35 hey, if it worked for bill 'i smoked marijuana but didn't inhale' clinton, than i guess you can buy 'i bought it but threw it away'....
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11-03-2006, 04:56 PM
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I'm not really sure to make of this.
Is it about Foley's take on "no child's behind left un-tried"? Or is it that the gays that are opposed to "gay marriage" got caught with their pants down and their drug buy (remember "war on drugs?). This is just too confusing. Is Geddbya gay too? Cheney has already shown that he's reckless with his "gun". Maybe the "right wingers" can explain. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6430392
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