Religious Freedomz in the USA

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

So he will now be taxing churches too?

Same rules. Good luck with that one.

I would love it if all churches lost their 501C status. Where did Obama ask to tax churches?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I would love it if all churches lost their 501C status. Where did Obama ask to tax churches?

The cartoon says same rules.
Would you also love if tax deductible charitable donations went away?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The cartoon says same rules.
Would you also love if tax deductible charitable donations went away?

charity should remain as it is. but we all know that charities do not only use donations for charitable works. anything spent on other than charity, churches included, should be taxed.
the money that goes to the huge fancy church buildings should be taxed. fancy facades aren't charitable. neither is high end cabinetry or fixtures. money for church vans? tax it. let the church actually show their charitable donations like the rest of us for their tax breaks. otherwise, they are a business with employees and property, just like all other businesses.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Would you also love if tax deductible charitable donations went away?

I wouldn't mind at all. Wouldn't change my charitable donation rate. What 'Zig said, though. Churches can show their "charity" for deduction like everyone else, and pay taxes on the rest at the business rate.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I wouldn't mind at all. Wouldn't change my charitable donation rate. What 'Zig said, though. Churches can show their "charity" for deduction like everyone else, and pay taxes on the rest at the business rate.

Might not change your donation plans, but I will tell you the people giving away millions and millions of dollars to charities (either partly or mostly) because they have to for the break, it would change they way they do things. A lot of research is funded that way. We should try it though, I am certain the tax increase would go directly to paying down our debt and helping out those in need.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Might not change your donation plans, but I will tell you the people giving away millions and millions of dollars to charities (either partly or mostly) because they have to for the break, it would change they way they do things. A lot of research is funded that way. We should try it though, I am certain the tax increase would go directly to paying down our debt and helping out those in need.

That's why I said, "what 'Zig said".

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I wouldn't mind at all. Wouldn't change my charitable donation rate. What 'Zig said, though. Churches can show their "charity" for deduction like everyone else, and pay taxes on the rest at the business rate.

That money has already been taxed if you take away the donation write-off. Tax on tax on tax on tax. Always the solution.

[dellinger63]

[GenuineRisk]

This claiming that covering preventative health care, including contraception, interferes with an employer's religious freedom is bullsh*t.

Health insurance is not some gift your employer gives you out of the goodness of the employer's heart. It's part of your compensation package. It's part of your pay. When an employer says he is not going to cover certain things because it morally offends him, what he is saying is that he is choosing to pay you less, because he disapproves of how you might choose to spend the money he pays you.

It's no different than an employer saying since he's morally opposed to gambling, he's going to cut your wages so you can't afford to gamble anymore.

Really, ladies, it's for your own good. Your boss knows what's best for you, and he'll cut your salary to prove it. Because that's how much he cares about you.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This claiming that covering preventative health care, including contraception, interferes with an employer's religious freedom is bullsh*t.

Health insurance is not some gift your employer gives you out of the goodness of the employer's heart. It's part of your compensation package. It's part of your pay. When an employer says he is not going to cover certain things because it morally offends him, what he is saying is that he is choosing to pay you less, because he disapproves of how you might choose to spend the money he pays you.

It's no different than an employer saying since he's morally opposed to gambling, he's going to cut your wages so you can't afford to gamble anymore.

Really, ladies, it's for your own good. Your boss knows what's best for you, and he'll cut your salary to prove it. Because that's how much he cares about you.

I agree with virtually everything you say. But once you force that employer to pay that part of your pay everything changes. Once you demand something from that employer you take away the employers right to pay their employees as they wish. An employer should absolutely have the right to cut someones pay if they feel like it for whatever reason they want, employee A doesn't like it employee A can leave. Simple.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This claiming that covering preventative health care, including contraception, interferes with an employer's religious freedom is bullsh*t. .

Then is the claim of conscientious objector bullsh*t?

Until indentured slavery is brought back one has the freedom to choose one's employer.

Besides who would want to work for a bullsh*t employer anyway?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This claiming that covering preventative health care, including contraception, interferes with an employer's religious freedom is bullsh*t.

Health insurance is not some gift your employer gives you out of the goodness of the employer's heart. It's part of your compensation package. It's part of your pay. When an employer says he is not going to cover certain things because it morally offends him, what he is saying is that he is choosing to pay you less, because he disapproves of how you might choose to spend the money he pays you.

It's no different than an employer saying since he's morally opposed to gambling, he's going to cut your wages so you can't afford to gamble anymore.

Really, ladies, it's for your own good. Your boss knows what's best for you, and he'll cut your salary to prove it. Because that's how much he cares about you.