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Old 02-13-2012, 06:40 PM
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If Randy Moss had a surgery -- the press who covers the NFL would report about it...because they have a habit of doing their job.

TVG contests don't exist anymore.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:11 PM
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If Randy Moss had a surgery -- the press who covers the NFL would report about it...because they have a habit of doing their job.

TVG contests don't exist anymore.
Not bad, not bad at all.

You know I'm just busting balls and I wholeheartedly agree about the horse racing media in general. Not all, but most are piss poor to be nice. Things like these surgeries should absolutely be reported on.

But, I think you're exaggerating a bit on some things here. Sassy's Image wasn't easy to have, but she also wasn't as impossible as you are making her seem. I didn't bet her, but if you were taking a shot Hilda's Passion would not replicate her Gulfstream races, she was a viable candidate.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:20 PM
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Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:22 PM
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Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.

I agree on this 1. Vs that company, with her form and the layoff she had no right winning that race. I dont think your going over the top at all. The 89 top beyer says it all, dont we all love beyers around here?
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:33 PM
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Every article that was written about the Humana Distaff -- including DRF and Bloodhorse didn't mention a single word about her.

DRF did a 7-minute handicapping video on the Humana Distaff... and the two handicappers went over every other horse in the race except her. They even spent over a minute talking about the Sunland Park invader. Not one word about Sassy Image in the 7-minute video ... and no knock on them .. because there was nothing to say other than "why is she entered here?" It was a rare Grade 1 for female sprinters ... and she didn't have a top four finish in a stakes race anywhere in a year and a half.
She missed a year. You keep ignoring it, but it's important.

Again, not easy to have, but I don't think she was impossible.

When I think of putover, I think of Pretty Boy Freud on the Travers undercard. Who ironically also had an unreported surgery prior to the race.
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When I think of putover, I think of Pretty Boy Freud on the Travers undercard. Who ironically also had an unreported surgery prior to the race.
Putover, to me, is any horse who wins while obviously backed with insider money or for reasons not visable in anyway on paper.
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Putover, to me, is any horse who wins while obviously backed with insider money or for reasons not visable in anyway on paper.
We disagree that she was totally unplayable on paper. No big deal.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:46 PM
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We disagree that she was totally unplayable on paper. No big deal.
Playable on paper at 16/1 in that spot?

www.ehorsex.com

Good site. Not the greatest liquidity...but you'll have no trouble getting down for $20 to $50 anytime. Please Sign up...you'd have trapped me into atleast 50/1 for sure with a horse like that.

They pay US residents fast.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:59 AM
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Putover, to me, is any horse who wins while obviously backed with insider money or for reasons not visable in anyway on paper.
Did you consult The Fat Charts?
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Just for another perspective on her with my figures, which are adjusted for weight and also for maturity.



She ran well at 2 and very early 3. I had her with figures in the 90s a few times. Obviously, something went amiss. She came back almost a year later and ran very close to her previous best, and did it in a race with a ridiculously slow pace, meaning most likely she might have done even better figure wise with a reasonable pace.

Next out, she faces better and gets caught on a moderate pace while four wide in her second race off a long layoff. Isn't this the ideal bounce situation? I'm not a big bounce guy at all, but if there is going to be one, it usually happens second off the big layoff. Being wide around the turn in a race where the pace is picking up (note the 88 half, 97 3/4) is not a good trip.

So, next she shows up in the Humana with two much better than looks on Beyer races third off the layoff. I am not trying to say this horse was obvious, but come on, she wasn't hopeless all things considered. When you throw in that she got what I would call an absolute dream of a trip with a 128 figure 1/4 mile in a 7f race, is the result really that surprising? Don't lots of horses explode third time off the bench?

Had you told me Hilda's Passion would run off early by at least three lengths faster than she ever had before and that the only other off the pace types were a badly off form Evening Jewel and a so so Oklahoma bred, I'd have unloaded on her.

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