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Cannon Shell · #1 12-19-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

I think this is going to play out very very interesting. My guess is there is a sizeable lawsuit against ESPN right now from Mr. Braun. Rumor has it that he has herpes and that the positive came from a herpes medicine that he was prescribed.

If this is true I see the four letter network getting crushed financially by Braun. Still all rumors but this should not gotten out regardless until it was finalized and for MLB to allow this to get out goes against their policies and labor contracts. Also MLB will have a hard time suspending him based on the leak of info

What would the suit be based on?

wiphan · #2 12-19-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What would the suit be based on?

According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

Antitrust32 · #3 12-19-2011, 05:32 PM

is ESPN reporting on a failed drug test really violating HIPPA?

if anything, I could see whoever leaked the story to ESPN could get in trouble if this rumor really turns out to be true. either way, Braun better hope a lot of women don't watch ESPN or his sex life will take a hit.

Cannon Shell · #4 12-19-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

is ESPN reporting on a failed drug test really violating HIPPA?

if anything, I could see whoever leaked the story to ESPN could get in trouble if this rumor really turns out to be true. either way, Braun better hope a lot of women don't watch ESPN or his sex life will take a hit.

money still talks

Cannon Shell · #5 12-19-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

ESPN isnt involved in the labor contract.

The Fine case involves an active criminal investigation.

I don't believe that reporting something true can be used as the basis of a lawsuit regardless of the damage done to someones reputation. However I am not a lawyer, dont have omnipotent powers to be right all the time like Riot and did not stay in a Holiday Inn express last night so maybe Pointman or a real lawyer can weigh in.

3kings · #6 12-20-2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

wiphan · #7 12-20-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

This is the problem with the leak of the info. Most people have already decided his guilt. Maybe he is guilty, maybe not but it should not have been reported until he made it thru the entire process.

wiphan · #8 01-23-2012, 01:53 PM

Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

GBBob · #9 01-23-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

wiphan · #10 01-23-2012, 02:36 PM

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What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

He won't go to the West Coast. Too far from his family. Huge family guy. Family is in FL. Don't believe it will happen, but I guess you never know.

Think Braun will be exonerated or serve 25 or 50 games?

Cannon Shell · #11 01-23-2012, 03:27 PM

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What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

You would think that the team would need an owner 1st.

wiphan · #12 02-24-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

jms62 · #13 02-24-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

Cannon Shell · #14 02-24-2012, 05:30 PM

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Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

What can they do?

wiphan · #15 02-24-2012, 05:35 PM

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What can they do?

MLB can do nothing, hope Braun doesn't sue them, which he won't because it isn't good to sue your employer

wiphan · #16 02-24-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

jms62 · #17 02-25-2012, 05:28 AM

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Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

He does not appear to me to be a juicer and I believe him. My point to you was passing a lie detector is not "proving innocense" it simply is passing a lie detector especially one privately done. Thinking about this more MLB can do nothing but hopefully tighten its procedures so this cant happen again. Drug testing is good for the game.

3kings · #18 02-25-2012, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

Cannon Shell · #19 02-25-2012, 02:08 PM

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Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.

3kings · #20 02-25-2012, 02:33 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell;841012]He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE

Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?