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Old 12-14-2011, 06:31 PM
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Here is a fact. Retirement pensions will cost New York City taxpayers $8.7 billion in 2012, up from $1.5 billion in 2002. Please tell me under what model that is equitable or sustainable?
The model where you promised that benefit to people, if they would work a lifetime for you and the public sector, and now you have to pay them what you've promised them over the past decades.

Gee. It's not like this is any surprise. Considering the city itself negotiated and agree to pay these benefits.

Duh.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:50 PM
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The model where you promised that benefit to people, if they would work a lifetime for you and the public sector, and now you have to pay them what you've promised them over the past decades.

Gee. It's not like this is any surprise. Considering the city itself negotiated and agree to pay these benefits.

Duh.
Union workers dont work a "lifetime" for anyone. They retire to nice pensions which the rest of us pay for.

The old "city negotiated this deal" excuse. Because we all know that unions have never influenced elections in NYC. We all know that the unions would never strike or make out of touch demands to those same politicians that they put in place. We all know that union leaders know that it doesnt matter how badly they screw the city with these deals that the state or feds will ride to the rescue. Is Hazel Dukes your idol?
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:51 PM
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Union workers dont work a "lifetime" for anyone. They retire to nice pensions which the rest of us pay for.

The old "city negotiated this deal" excuse. Because we all know that unions have never influenced elections in NYC. We all know that the unions would never strike or make out of touch demands to those same politicians that they put in place. We all know that union leaders know that it doesnt matter how badly they screw the city with these deals that the state or feds will ride to the rescue. Is Hazel Dukes your idol?
Too bad the toll increases don't appear to have anything to do with the unions.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:55 PM
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Too bad the toll increases don't appear to have anything to do with the unions.
Everything in state and local govt in NY has something to do with unions. To deny this is to deny all logic.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:57 PM
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Everything in state and local govt in NY has something to do with unions. To deny this is to deny all logic.
Or it means I read the news, and you jump to the conclusion that it's all the unions fault, all the time.

Good luck with that perpetual victim thing
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:04 PM
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Or it means I read the news, and you jump to the conclusion that it's all the unions fault, all the time.

Good luck with that perpetual victim thing
You read the news? So you arent smart enough to understand that pension funds are the main culprit in the future bankruptcy of NYC? I guess the unions have nothing to do with that right? Just look at NYC OTB to see what the power of unions unchecked can do.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:56 PM
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Too bad the toll increases don't appear to have anything to do with the unions.
Really? The increases that were put in place to close the Port Authority's budget which the Port Authority could not balance in large part because of the salaries and benefits negotiated by the unions?

Not to mention that the job is obsolete and every toll collector could be eliminated and replaced by machines at a much cheaper cost except that the union contracts protect unneccessary jobs?
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:59 PM
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Really? The increases that were put in place to close the Port Authority's budget which the Port Authority could not balance in large part because of the salaries and benefits negotiated by the unions?

Not to mention that the job is obsolete and every toll collector could be eliminated and replaced by machines at a much cheaper cost except that the union contracts protect unneccessary jobs?
No. The toll increases that are on hold because it's illegal to use road taxes for infrastructure at ground zero.

But UNIONS SUCK! IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT! NOBODY ELSE'S! How DARE public workers get a pension! And overtime! It's an outrage!
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:07 PM
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No. The toll increases that are on hold because it's illegal to use road taxes for infrastructure at ground zero.

But UNIONS SUCK! IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT! NOBODY ELSE'S! How DARE public workers get a pension! And overtime! It's an outrage!
THE TOLLS ARE ALREADY OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
$20 round trip across the GW bridge
$26 across the Verazano

And this is with the vast majority of people using EZ pass (no toll taker)
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:10 PM
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THE TOLLS ARE ALREADY OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!
$20 round trip across the GW bridge
$26 across the Verazano

And this is with the vast majority of people using EZ pass (no toll taker)
This is CLEARLY the fault of the EVIL UNIONS!
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:11 AM
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Union workers dont work a "lifetime" for anyone. They retire to nice pensions which the rest of us pay for.

The old "city negotiated this deal" excuse. Because we all know that unions have never influenced elections in NYC. We all know that the unions would never strike or make out of touch demands to those same politicians that they put in place. We all know that union leaders know that it doesnt matter how badly they screw the city with these deals that the state or feds will ride to the rescue. Is Hazel Dukes your idol?

you would almost be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. I've got news for you. You don't pay **** for pensions. the workers pay into it every week and who gets to use the money to make more money? .....the guys who pay the pensions. Thats how it works genius. Why do you think some guys make all that money in OT ? it's because no one else will work it. most won't even consider it. Ya know why ? because the job rots your brain as well as your lungs. You try standing on the GW on a february night when it's 4 degrees out and the wind is howling. Try standing in a booth all day...6 am - 10 pm. for the ot. then rush home to sleep a couple of hours and do it again. Lets not forget all the abuse ya have to take from a bunch of "brave in their car" "half a sissies" who wouldn't dare look at you like that in the street, without catching a slap. it all looks so easy....until you try it. You wouldn't last a week out there. After the first day you'd be home crying for your mother. When was the last 16 hour day you put in ? Actually with all the whining you do, you'd probably fit right in.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:15 AM
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Which is why it should be automated. Then you manly toll workers can stay home and watch gay porn and mma.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:17 AM
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you might be big a bigshot in gay porn, but i doubt you are in mma
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:25 AM
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you might be big a bigshot in gay porn, but i doubt you are in mma
adaba baba? Me caveman ugh ugh. I r man!!

you would almost be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. I've got news for you. Gay porn workers don't get pensions. the workers do anal every week and who gets to use the lube to take more scenes? .....the guys who take it in the rear. Thats how it works genius. Why do you think some guys have bloody a.ssholes ? it's because no one can pay for the lube. most won't even consider it. Ya know why ? because the job doesn't pay s.hit and rots your bum. You try standing on a boat on a february night when it's 4 degrees out and the wind is howling and you've got three cocks in all orafices. Try standing in a studio all day...6 am - 10 pm. for the ot. then rush home to take heroin and oxies for hours and do it again. Lets not forget all the abuse ya have to take from a bunch of "well endowed black men" who wouldn't dare go balls deep like that in the street, without catching a slap. it all looks so easy....until you try it. You wouldn't last a week out there. After the first day you'd be home massaging your throat and as.shole. When was the last 16 hour day you put in ? Actually with all the submitting you do, you'd probably fit right in.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:36 AM
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wow you really do have it tough. maybe toll collecting ain't bad after all
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Old 12-15-2011, 11:26 AM
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adaba baba? Me caveman ugh ugh. I r man!!

you would almost be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. I've got news for you. Gay porn workers don't get pensions. the workers do anal every week and who gets to use the lube to take more scenes? .....the guys who take it in the rear. Thats how it works genius. Why do you think some guys have bloody a.ssholes ? it's because no one can pay for the lube. most won't even consider it. Ya know why ? because the job doesn't pay s.hit and rots your bum. You try standing on a boat on a february night when it's 4 degrees out and the wind is howling and you've got three cocks in all orafices. Try standing in a studio all day...6 am - 10 pm. for the ot. then rush home to take heroin and oxies for hours and do it again. Lets not forget all the abuse ya have to take from a bunch of "well endowed black men" who wouldn't dare go balls deep like that in the street, without catching a slap. it all looks so easy....until you try it. You wouldn't last a week out there. After the first day you'd be home massaging your throat and as.shole. When was the last 16 hour day you put in ? Actually with all the submitting you do, you'd probably fit right in.
WAY TOO MUCH INFO,COACH!!
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:50 AM
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you would almost be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. I've got news for you. You don't pay **** for pensions. the workers pay into it every week and who gets to use the money to make more money? .....the guys who pay the pensions. Thats how it works genius. Why do you think some guys make all that money in OT ? it's because no one else will work it. most won't even consider it. Ya know why ? because the job rots your brain as well as your lungs. You try standing on the GW on a february night when it's 4 degrees out and the wind is howling. Try standing in a booth all day...6 am - 10 pm. for the ot. then rush home to sleep a couple of hours and do it again. Lets not forget all the abuse ya have to take from a bunch of "brave in their car" "half a sissies" who wouldn't dare look at you like that in the street, without catching a slap. it all looks so easy....until you try it. You wouldn't last a week out there. After the first day you'd be home crying for your mother. When was the last 16 hour day you put in ? Actually with all the whining you do, you'd probably fit right in.
If you work in a toll booth then you made some life choices that got you there. If you are happy great! If not tfb.
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Old 12-15-2011, 07:53 AM
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you would almost be amusing if you weren't so pathetic. I've got news for you. You don't pay **** for pensions. the workers pay into it every week and who gets to use the money to make more money? .....the guys who pay the pensions. Thats how it works genius. Why do you think some guys make all that money in OT ? it's because no one else will work it. most won't even consider it. Ya know why ? because the job rots your brain as well as your lungs. You try standing on the GW on a february night when it's 4 degrees out and the wind is howling. Try standing in a booth all day...6 am - 10 pm. for the ot. then rush home to sleep a couple of hours and do it again. Lets not forget all the abuse ya have to take from a bunch of "brave in their car" "half a sissies" who wouldn't dare look at you like that in the street, without catching a slap. it all looks so easy....until you try it. You wouldn't last a week out there. After the first day you'd be home crying for your mother. When was the last 16 hour day you put in ? Actually with all the whining you do, you'd probably fit right in.
So if we drop your name at the GW Bridge, do we get any sort of freinds and family discount?
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So if we drop your name at the GW Bridge, do we get any sort of freinds and family discount?

but of course. there's even favoritism in hell ya know.
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