Never Retreat: It's Not Over Yet

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I know it's a day late and a dollar short, but why was she odds-on in the Matriarch anyways? On paper, it was a pretty contentious race.

Anyways, not sure why a horse who spent most of her career in the second tier needs to make an extra start to "show what she can do".

Shes had a great overall year. A great year. Maybe she was a tad overbet, but was clearly the horse to beat. I guess she would have been fair around 7-5. How much higher could she possibly have been?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Shes had a great overall year. A great year. Maybe she was a tad overbet, but was clearly the horse to beat. I guess she would have been fair around 7-5. How much higher could she possibly have been?

Laughable. She had a great year at Keeneland and Woodbine. Elsewhere, she was her typical bridesmaid self. She failed as favorite 3 times. In the vast majority of her races this year, most of which were Grade 3, she was 4-1 odds or higher.

I guess people figured she turned the corner somehow in the First Lady simply because it's a Grade 1. Of course, she only beat 3yo Together in that one. Fitting that an also-rans from the Queen Elizabeth II took it to her at Hollywood.

[RockHardTen1985]

Whatever you say.... On another note, this is Uncle Mo's FB status....


Hey friends...doing great!!!! Since I'm the freshman sire at Coolmore I was in charge of putting up ALL the holiday decorations. The farm is 2000 acres.....took me 10 days!!!! It was easier running the Kelso in 1 minute 33 than this. Off to sleep for 2 days. Hope all is well!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Whatever you say.... On another note, this is Uncle Mo's FB status....


Hey friends...doing great!!!! Since I'm the freshman sire at Coolmore I was in charge of putting up ALL the holiday decorations. The farm is 2000 acres.....took me 10 days!!!! It was easier running the Kelso in 1 minute 33 than this. Off to sleep for 2 days. Hope all is well!

Let me guess what your FB status says:

Another thread hijacked! Look at me!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Let me guess what your FB status says:

Another thread hijacked! Look at me!

Its pointless. You respond with laughable? SHe was the horse to beat in that race. Her only competition was a bunch of 3yr olds who just ran like **** at Keeneland. Go back and look at the thread for the race though. I used Summer Soiree, I really liked her chances of rebounding in that spot and she did. Never Retreat had a bad trip also. She was wide and got her legs under her way to late. You say she only beat a 3yr old at Keeneland? Your making no sense. Her only competition in Cali was a couple 3yr olds. Unless you liked Motions other horse. I did at first and backed off her, its all in the race thread. Did I hijack it or did you? The thread was about the horse running again, trying to go out a winner after a long campaign. You came in with your own sorta redboard I guess, about her odds.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Its pointless. You respond with laughable? SHe was the horse to beat in that race.

I'm pretty sure I only questioned why she was odds-on, not why she was favorite.

Her only competition was a bunch of 3yr olds who just ran like **** at Keeneland. Go back and look at the thread for the race though. I used Summer Soiree, I really liked her chances of rebounding in that spot and she did.

What about Unbridled Humor? She was facing similar horses as Never Retreat and holding her own. The fact of the matter is that Never Retreat had hardly separated herself from her division to warrant such low odds in a race of that calibur.

Never Retreat had a bad trip also. She was wide and got her legs under her way to late.

But she's a deserving odds-on favorite right? She holds such a superior position over the rest of the field that she should be able to handle a little 3-wide trip and still make a dent. She was no threat at any point.

You say she only beat a 3yr old at Keeneland? Your making no sense. Her only competition in Cali was a couple 3yr olds. Unless you liked Motions other horse. I did at first and backed off her, its all in the race thread.

Again, ignore Unbridled Humor to fit your argument. The point about her beating Together was that the Grade 1 at Keeneland proved the 3yo filly division was not too far behind the older mares, if at all.

Did I hijack it or did you? The thread was about the horse running again, trying to go out a winner after a long campaign. You came in with your own sorta redboard I guess, about her odds.

Actually, in addition to revisiting the Matriarch, I commented on the silliness of bringing her out for one more go 'round simply because she got beat at Hollywood.

At the very least, my comments were restricted to Never Retreat and not Uncle Mo or Facebook.

Thanks for playing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm pretty sure I only questioned why she was odds-on, not why she was favorite.



What about Unbridled Humor? She was facing similar horses as Never Retreat and holding her own. The fact of the matter is that Never Retreat had hardly separated herself from her division to warrant such low odds in a race of that calibur.



But she's a deserving odds-on favorite right? She holds such a superior position over the rest of the field that she should be able to handle a little 3-wide trip and still make a dent. She was no threat at any point.



Again, ignore Unbridled Humor to fit your argument. The point about her beating Together was that the Grade 1 at Keeneland proved the 3yo filly division was not too far behind the older mares, if at all.



Actually, in addition to revisiting the Matriarch, I commented on the silliness of bringing her out for one more go 'round simply because she got beat at Hollywood.

At the very least, my comments were restricted to Never Retreat and not Uncle Mo or Facebook.

Thanks for playing.

I thought the Uncle Mo FB status was worth posting somewhere, but not worth a thread. I think its cool that a great horse can also type.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Laughable. She had a great year at Keeneland and Woodbine. Elsewhere, she was her typical bridesmaid self. She failed as favorite 3 times. In the vast majority of her races this year, most of which were Grade 3, she was 4-1 odds or higher.

I guess people figured she turned the corner somehow in the First Lady simply because it's a Grade 1. Of course, she only beat 3yo Together in that one. Fitting that an also-rans from the Queen Elizabeth II took it to her at Hollywood.

Ok.

Sure, whatever you say.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Laughable. She had a great year at Keeneland and Woodbine. Elsewhere, she was her typical bridesmaid self. She failed as favorite 3 times. In the vast majority of her races this year, most of which were Grade 3, she was 4-1 odds or higher.

I guess people figured she turned the corner somehow in the First Lady simply because it's a Grade 1. Of course, she only beat 3yo Together in that one. Fitting that an also-rans from the Queen Elizabeth II took it to her at Hollywood.

Always thought she was a bit of an underachiever who couldn't really get the job done against anything of serious quality.

Really nice horse, just not really special.

[OldDog]

An UPDATE, of sorts...

"Team Block’s Never Retreat narrowly beat out a pair of 3-year old champions in Inglorious and Pender Harbour to be named Canada’s Horse of the Year for 2011 at the 37th Sovereign Awards held at Woodbine the evening of April 5.

Never Retreat recorded 78 points in the voting for Horse of the Year, two more than Inglorious, who finished second."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...se-of-the-year