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Old 12-09-2011, 06:28 PM
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No way in hell is this team better off on the court without Paul and getting those guys. Paul is that good.
Paul is a very good player but lets not forget he avg 16 points and 10 assists a game last year.
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Old 12-09-2011, 07:26 PM
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Paul is a very good player but lets not forget he avg 16 points and 10 assists a game last year.
Yes, but he makes the guys around him better as do most superstars.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:38 AM
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How about this? I dont really know how to feel about that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._waiver_121011
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:12 AM
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How about this? I dont really know how to feel about that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._waiver_121011

He sounds like another crybaby. The guy is going to get 14.2 million, stfu and play with whatever team picks you.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:28 AM
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I dont like this trade for the Clippers. I like the young core, plus the draft pick is likely to be a top 1-5 pick. Its the pick from Minnesota.

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Old 12-12-2011, 12:41 PM
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Why Stern was right to veto...

http://hoopspeak.com/2011/12/david-s...e-right-thing/
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A lot of sense made in that article.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:55 PM
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His was extremely flawed logic.

First of all I have a hard time understanding why if Stern were so hyper focused on keeping the Hornets attractive to a new owner (which is the basic premise) did he not simply tell Demps the parameters of a deal he would approve of? How can you say that The Hornets management was working without influence of the NBA when you are going to disapprove of a trade it come up with? You cant have it both ways.
The 2nd thing I dont agree with is that a new owner needs a star player or is concerned with immediate salary cap implications. Some guy just paid $700 million for the Houston Astros who have no stars or much in the way of prospects. The owners are buying the uniforms, not the guys in them. Chris Paul may blow out his knee tomorrow, no one is spending $300 million on a basketball team because of Chris Paul.
The 3rd thing in talking about the immediate salary cap implications the author acts as though none of the pieces acquired couldnt have been flipped to other small market teams currently trying to get above the salary floor. I mean if we are willing to let NO punt the season (which is what they are doing by keeping Paul-who exactly are they going to sign to fill out the roster/how much money are they going to be allowed to spend?) AND let Paul walk and get nothing for him....then why couldnt Scola or Martin or Odom (as shown by his trade to Dallas for what Stern supposedly wants draft picks) be traded by NO?
I could go on but this post has already flew by the tedious mendoza line...
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His was extremely flawed logic.

First of all I have a hard time understanding why if Stern were so hyper focused on keeping the Hornets attractive to a new owner (which is the basic premise) did he not simply tell Demps the parameters of a deal he would approve of? How can you say that The Hornets management was working without influence of the NBA when you are going to disapprove of a trade it come up with? You cant have it both ways.
The 2nd thing I dont agree with is that a new owner needs a star player or is concerned with immediate salary cap implications. Some guy just paid $700 million for the Houston Astros who have no stars or much in the way of prospects. The owners are buying the uniforms, not the guys in them. Chris Paul may blow out his knee tomorrow, no one is spending $300 million on a basketball team because of Chris Paul.
The 3rd thing in talking about the immediate salary cap implications the author acts as though none of the pieces acquired couldnt have been flipped to other small market teams currently trying to get above the salary floor. I mean if we are willing to let NO punt the season (which is what they are doing by keeping Paul-who exactly are they going to sign to fill out the roster/how much money are they going to be allowed to spend?) AND let Paul walk and get nothing for him....then why couldnt Scola or Martin or Odom (as shown by his trade to Dallas for what Stern supposedly wants draft picks) be traded by NO?
I could go on but this post has already flew by the tedious mendoza line...
I do think salary cap implications are huge for a new owner, especially with the new agreement. Can you imagine buying that team and having to pay a luxury tax, a team that will be around 500? You fill the seat by giving fans hope for the future or a contender, not fielding a 500 team of old guys. At the very least you need some exciting players. Martin is fringe that, the others, not even close.

We disagree on how easy it would be to "flip" those older guys. It just isn't going to happen as much as it used to happen. As for the Odom trade, they didn't get draft picks, they got a trade exception that I'm sure they'll use trying to get Howard.
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I do think salary cap implications are huge for a new owner, especially with the new agreement. Can you imagine buying that team and having to pay a luxury tax, a team that will be around 500? You fill the seat by giving fans hope for the future or a contender, not fielding a 500 team of old guys. At the very least you need some exciting players. Martin is fringe that, the others, not even close.

We disagree on how easy it would be to "flip" those older guys. It just isn't going to happen as much as it used to happen. As for the Odom trade, they didn't get draft picks, they got a trade exception that I'm sure they'll use trying to get Howard.
I'm bored waiting for the track at the farm to unfreeze so...
As I said there the team wasnt necessarily finished moving pieces. Expiring contracts are still valuable AND with the salary floor teams will actually need to add players like Scola and Martin if nothing else to get over the floor until they are in their final year when they can use them as expiring contract trade bait.

The Lakers got Dallas 1st round pick this year. You have to trade a draft pick to get the exception.

And CJ, you fill seats by winning and neither scenario is going to have the Hornets winning in the near term regardless. NO's success last year not withstanding how exactly are they supposed to add pieces if Mark Cuban and company are going to go apeshit everytime they add anybody? And with the season opening in 12 days when are they planning on filling out the roster?

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I'm bored waiting for the track at the farm to unfreeze so...
planning on filling out the roster?

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/roster/_...rleans-hornets
thats why you are supposed to come to ocala for the winter, dude.
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I dont like this trade for the Clippers. I like the young core, plus the draft pick is likely to be a top 1-5 pick. Its the pick from Minnesota.
...and now that one is dead too.
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...and now that one is dead too.
lol its getting to be 2 comedy. Contraction possible so they wont trade him now? Who knows whats really going. Of the 2 trades if I was the Hornets I want the Clipper trade all day over the Laker trade. No one in the Laker trade has superstar potential. Gordon could be and that draft pick is going to be very high. My man Harrison Barnes is a stud.
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The asking price from the Clippers was just too much. They were willing to give up Kaman, Aminu, and Gordon, along with maybe Bledsoe or that draft pick but not all of that.
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lol its getting to be 2 comedy. Contraction possible so they wont trade him now? Who knows whats really going. Of the 2 trades if I was the Hornets I want the Clipper trade all day over the Laker trade. No one in the Laker trade has superstar potential. Gordon could be and that draft pick is going to be very high. My man Harrison Barnes is a stud.
So if they got Kamen, the Islamic guy, Bledsoe and the MN pick who exactly is the superstar? Lets say MN finishes 3rd from last and the pick is #3.
Last 5 years #3 picks
2011-Enes Kanter
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2006-Adam Morrison

I dont believe that LA would trade Gordon
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So if they got Kamen, the Islamic guy, Bledsoe and the MN pick who exactly is the superstar? Lets say MN finishes 3rd from last and the pick is #3.
Last 5 years #3 picks
2011-Enes Kanter
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2006-Adam Morrison

I dont believe that LA would trade Gordon

Um Gordon and the pick. Especially if its Barnes. I read the trade did not go through because they would not give Bledsoe and Gordon. I also said potential, Gordon is a potential superstar. I think he averaged 23 a game last year.
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Um Gordon and the pick. Especially if its Barnes. I read the trade did not go through because they would not give Bledsoe and Gordon. I also said potential, Gordon is a potential superstar. I think he averaged 23 a game last year.
They arent giving up Gordon and the pick, nor should they. Barnes is not even a college superstar.
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So if they got Kamen, the Islamic guy, Bledsoe and the MN pick who exactly is the superstar? Lets say MN finishes 3rd from last and the pick is #3.
Last 5 years #3 picks
2011-Enes Kanter
2010-Derrick Favors
2009-James Harden
2008-OJ Mayo
2007-Al Horford
2006-Adam Morrison

I dont believe that LA would trade Gordon
This year's draft is much stronger than past years, but of course it is still a gamble.
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