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Old 10-31-2006, 02:54 AM
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I'm not ready to throw Silent Name out just yet. I thought his win in the Arcadia was one of the better performances I've seen in the division this year from an American horse. He ran a 1:33 flat that day. In the Shoemaker, he was beaten two by Aragorn but they ran that race in a quick 1:32 4/5 so he went just around 1:33 1/5 that day. Aragorn handled him again in the Read but that was at 9f. At the mile mark that day, he was only a length behind Aragorn and they hit the mile in 1:33 2/5. I know that for many, time means nothing but I always like to see a horse be able to be in the same area over different tracks and here are three different ones where he's gone in the 1:33 1/5 range. I've seen enough horses have no fondness at all for Keeneland's turf and come back and run well elsewhere so I won't hold that against him. Of course, Aragorn has gone sub 1:33 on each of the tracks that Silent Name did. I just think that if anyone likes Aragorn here, Silent Name is not far behind him, and they are certainly closer than the 4/1 to 30/1 difference Watchmaker has them at in the DRF.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:37 AM
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Watchmaker's line has ZERO to do with his opinion of the race. It is his opinion of how these horses will be bet. Do you honestly think he is off on how these horses will be bet? Personally, I think he may be wrong about Aragorn, in that he will be a bit higher, but I have a hard time disagreeing with the relative differential. I am not saying at 7 or 8 times the price that Silent Name MAY not be a better bet.
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Old 10-31-2006, 08:56 AM
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Watchmaker's line has ZERO to do with his opinion of the race. It is his opinion of how these horses will be bet. Do you honestly think he is off on how these horses will be bet? Personally, I think he may be wrong about Aragorn, in that he will be a bit higher, but I have a hard time disagreeing with the relative differential. I am not saying at 7 or 8 times the price that Silent Name MAY not be a better bet.
I know it's not his opinion of the race but yes, I think he's off on how they will be bet. I don't think they difference will be that high. I think maybe 5/1 to 20/1 would be more likely, so four times the price instead of 7.5 times the price.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:03 AM
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I know it's not his opinion of the race but yes, I think he's off on how they will be bet. I don't think they difference will be that high. I think maybe 5/1 to 20/1 would be more likely, so four times the price instead of 7.5 times the price.
Are you familiar with the phrase " cherry picking "?

I will bet you three " I am a complete idiot "s that Silent Name is over 25-1 and I will take 2-1 on another three that he is over 30-1.
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Old 11-01-2006, 01:44 PM
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I know it's not his opinion of the race but yes, I think he's off on how they will be bet. I don't think they difference will be that high. I think maybe 5/1 to 20/1 would be more likely, so four times the price instead of 7.5 times the price.

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Are you familiar with the phrase " cherry picking "?

I will bet you three " I am a complete idiot "s that Silent Name is over 25-1 and I will take 2-1 on another three that he is over 30-1.
Morning line has Aragorn at 5/1 and Silent Name at 20/1. Let's see what they go off at.
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