Cain withdraws

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the shame is the gridlock that occurs, and us waiting for things to happen while they make sure that anything that happens worth crowing about came from 'them'. of course, the opposite of 'them' does what they can to keep that from happening.
so, nothing happens and we all plod along.

we need term limits for congress. if they can't get re-elected, they might get off their asses and actually do something because they don't have to worry about pandering to voters.

term limits only empowers lobbyists. when you wipe out institutional memory, who do you think fills the vacuum?

the entire term limits paradigm is misguided. it started on a premise that no one running for office could possibly do so out a sense of public responsibility and has been a self-fulfilling prophecy. it's guaranteed the result it was supposed to solve.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

term limits only empowers lobbyists. when you wipe out institutional memory, who do you think fills the vacuum?

the entire term limits paradigm is misguided. it started on a premise that no one running for office could possibly do so out a sense of public responsibility and has been a self-fulfilling prophecy. it's guaranteed the result it was supposed to solve.

What you are saying makes no sense. Term limits arent to blame for the political issues that we are experiencing. The issue that it could help solve in Congress is we wouldn't have career Congressmen who become entrenched in office and become far too influential, far more than their one vote is supposed to be.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What you are saying makes no sense. Term limits arent to blame for the political issues that we are experiencing. The issue that it could help solve in Congress is we wouldn't have career Congressmen who become entrenched in office and become far too influential, far more than their one vote is supposed to be.

if you can point to a state legislature or city council where term limits has resulted in better legislation, i'll concede.

but so far as i can see, all it does is replace the problem of entrenched elected officials with the far worse problem of entrenched unelected lobbyists. it's not as if influence disappears. it just moves elsewhere.

getting rid of incumbent based gerrymandering would go a lot further toward achieving the goal of good government than the idea of term limits.

it's a pointless debate though. it's not as if many states are going to universally disarm.