Occupy Wall Street live - Day of Action

[dellinger63]

Wonder if the protesters realize they have become a cash cow for NYPD officers in the form of overtime? Or that Mayor Bloomberg donated over a half billion to charities last year?

The protesters should take a few minutes off in silence this afternoon and think of what contributions they each made last year.

Then realize while the world defines 'poor' as earning $1.25/day or less, the U.S. defines poor as earning $11,344/year or less or just over $31 a day. Earn under that and in the U.S. you're qualified for food, shelter, healthcare, cell phone, WI-FI subsidies plus a plethora of private and state giveaways. Instead of crying for what we don't do, celebrate what we do! Grow up and stop the whining.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Wonder if the protesters realize they have become a cash cow for NYPD officers in the form of overtime? Or that Mayor Bloomberg donated over a half billion to charities last year?

The protesters should take a few minutes off in silence this afternoon and think of what contributions they each made last year.

Then realize while the world defines 'poor' as earning $1.25/day or less, the U.S. defines poor as earning $11,344/year or less or just over $31 a day. Earn under that and in the U.S. you're qualified for food, shelter, healthcare, cell phone, WI-FI subsidies plus a plethora of private and state giveaways. Instead of crying for what we don't do, celebrate what we do! Grow up and stop the whining.

Dell, you need new material. You express the same old tired mindset. You have no right to complain about inequality because others are worse off...reminds me of words from Bob Dylan's "Only a Pawn in Their Game"..."A south politician preaches to the poor white man. You got more than the blacks don't complain..." Meaningless attempt to divert attention from reality.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Wonder if the protesters realize they have become a cash cow for NYPD officers in the form of overtime? Or that Mayor Bloomberg donated over a half billion to charities last year?

What does that have to do with corporate ownership of our government, and lack of government response to the wishes of the citizens?

The protesters should take a few minutes off in silence this afternoon and think of what contributions they each made last year.

Then realize while the world defines 'poor' as earning $1.25/day or less, the U.S. defines poor as earning $11,344/year or less or just over $31 a day. Earn under that and in the U.S. you're qualified for food, shelter, healthcare, cell phone, WI-FI subsidies plus a plethora of private and state giveaways. Instead of crying for what we don't do, celebrate what we do! Grow up and stop the whining.

Of course, you being a self-professed Libertarian, you will defend to the death the right of your fellow Americans to protest without infringement on their strict constitutional rights or being the brunt of police brutality? Right?

[Riot]

The crowd just had a General Assembly, now they are going to march down 5th Avenue to Washington Square Park, then Foley Park. They have 3,000 - 4,000 people are the estimates.

Live stream with ongoing narrative from independent press (multiple "mainstream news" sources were broadcasting this stream today)

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99#utm...medium=9488285

[Riot]

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

and therein lies the rub. it's not exactly easy for the cops to say yes, no, no, no, yes as far as who is a real protester, and who isn't. so, they tell people to move along, and then the problems start. people get arrested, pepper sprayed, injured, etc, and then the cops are the bad guy.
and people sit at home, watching on their monitor or tv and bitch about protesters getting picked on.
it reminds me of the military. people are all gung ho to get in a war, and then they start bashing the soldiers when everything doesn't go just right. easy to judge from the easy chair.
so, the foot soldiers and beat cops put their lives on the line, and the generals and chiefs of police give the orders, and people bitch at the guys on the street-cause they're all worthless, no good sob's.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and therein lies the rub. it's not exactly easy for the cops to say yes, no, no, no, yes as far as who is a real protester, and who isn't. so, they tell people to move along, and then the problems start. people get arrested, pepper sprayed, injured, etc, and then the cops are the bad guy.
and people sit at home, watching on their monitor or tv and bitch about protesters getting picked on.
it reminds me of the military. people are all gung ho to get in a war, and then they start bashing the soldiers when everything doesn't go just right. easy to judge from the easy chair.
so, the foot soldiers and beat cops put their lives on the line, and the generals and chiefs of police give the orders, and people bitch at the guys on the street-cause they're all worthless, no good sob's.

Oh, yeah: when there's multiple video views, start to finish, with no editing, it is sure easy to pick out when the police screw up. After all, even a police chief reversed his ruling after viewing one citzen-taken video on YouTube, that contradicted his officers stories.

And some of the hangers-on to the protests, too. For example, the guy they took down today in Zuccotti - I think he deserved it (he was probably Black Bloc tactics) When the protesters are calm, and peaceful, but you have a group of people dressed in black, wearing hoodies, and facemasks - which doesn't fit?

[Riot]

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99#utm...medium=9488285

Livestream from the head of the march towards Foley.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

The fact that peaceful legal protest is ... legal seems to have perhaps changed a bit since the Patriot Act. Or maybe it was never a right we really had. Although people literally carrying guns at a rally near the President was tolerated. You'd think unarmed people wouldn't be a threat!
They have paraded and protested all over the city for 2 months now. Today was different because they made a threat to close the exchange.

I don't think the protesters should occupy Bank of America lobby. I don't see anything wrong with keep the street in front of NYSE blocked (as it pretty much as been since 9-11). Protesters should not be allowed to block a street (so others can't use it) without a permit.
The security by the exchnge is always tight. Besides that, there's really not much room over there for a ton of people.

But, hundreds of people in a 24-hour a day park is LEGAL. Walking along a sidewalk is LEGAL. Chanting and carrying signs is LEGAL. When a hundred extra cops surround Zuccotti, because they are going to arrest the guy who was kicking barriers, and someone says, "please let me out", and they say, "sorry" - that's simply not right.
It's not right, but did you think that there might have been other factors involved? Maybe they needed to keep the group together because they were looking for somene in particular.

There are nearly a hundred Occupies in the US right now - and some are there with the blessing of the city, and some are fraught with disaster (Oakland). But everyone has the right to free speech, freedom of assembly, etc.
Let's be truthful, for the amount of people marching/involved, there have been a couple of isolated incidents. It's a very tough situation and it's not always going to go down perfectly.



No. The police kept people from getting to work this morning, around Zuccotti. People trying to get into Wall Street for job interviews were not allowed in (they had no corporate ID), and people trying to get into the subway stop there this am were not allowed past unless they were wearing suits, etc. One young guy (wearing a nice sweater, tie, neat) wasn't allowed through into the subway because he looks like a protester, and he was complaining to the cameraman that now he'd be late to work, had to go blocks out of his way to another stop - the protesters were not in that area.

Firms and buisnesses were warned ahead of time of protocals so that they would be able to prepare for what to do to get guests in to the area this morning. Like I said above, unfortunately it's not always going to be perfect.

Originally Posted by Riot

Check the live stream - there are masked anarchists knocking over police barriers, trying to incite. The rest of the protesters are marching peacefully.

How do you know they aren't part of the protest/movement? So everything bad is the cops/mayor's fault and when they movement does something wrong, there not part of the REAL movement.

Originally Posted by Riot

Their lives are not negatively affected, when streets are not blocked, when protests are peaceful, when others are not blocked from their daily activity.
I think more people would be on board if they knew what the protest was really about. It hs become this ten thousand head monster. The movement needs one solemn voice so people could really understand.


FTFY. You mean like the Tea Party taking over all the healthcare town halls in 2008? God, that was awful! Yes - the protesters are trying to draw attention. And it's not because they are narcissists.

Right, cause those town hall meeting were on the up and up. With all the hand picked layup questions. .