NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Lot of questions that need to be answered, I'm not so quick to pass judgement as you but time will expose those who are guilty and those not.

have you read the grand jury indictment?

if you read that and still wont pass judgement, then I am very sorry for you.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

have you read the grand jury indictment?

if you read that and still wont pass judgement, then I am very sorry for you.

Yes I have...the questions still to be answered are exactly how this evolved. Certainly I would expect Joe to take immediate action and right now, it is unclear what exactly he did and what exactly he was told by the grad student. The state police conducted a long and thorough investigation which has thus far resulted in charges against one guy and soon to be filed charges against two more along with uncovering 8 victims (we all suspect there are more). Joe has thus far not been accused of criminal wrongdoing but the moral questions are many and must be answered. It is a rush to judgement to convict Joe of something not thus far supported by uncovered facts. The lid is off and if he has any role it will be uncovered and then I will stand with you demanding his resignation, but lets let the truth come out first.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yes I have...the questions still to be answered are exactly how this evolved. Certainly I would expect Joe to take immediate action and right now, it is unclear what exactly he did and what exactly he was told by the grad student. The state police conducted a long and thorough investigation which has thus far resulted in charges against one guy and soon to be filed charges against two more along with uncovering 8 victims (we all suspect there are more). Joe has thus far not been accused of criminal wrongdoing but the moral questions are many and must be answered. It is a rush to judgement to convict Joe of something not thus far supported by uncovered facts. The lid is off and if he has any role it will be uncovered and then I will stand with you demanding his resignation, but lets let the truth come out first.

from everything I've read so far, I dont think Joe did anything criminally wrong. In fact, he may have, at first, done the correct thing by telling the A.D. and those guys (how he didnt call the cops when he realized no one else had is beyond my comprehension). But just because he knew, and the whole program dropped the ball, he needs to resign.

[3kings]

Here is a link to the Grand Jury indictment:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/13...mpid=125219969

Edit: It is very disturbing I didn't even make it through Victim 1.

[DerbyCat]

As someone who works in a DI athletic department, I have to tell you that the administrators response doesn't surprise me in the least, although I would have expected better from someone who I thought was as classy as Joe Pa. DI coaches, especially football and basketball coaches, aren't expected to worry about anything but winning. I'm sure the AD told coach, "don't worry, we'll take care of it". The AD doesn't want ANY bad press about his department so he'll get his boss to sign off on burying this story and *hope* that it doesn't happen again on campus. I'm not surprised that the grad assistant and janitors didn't want to call police, no one wants to be the person to speak up in that situation because the fear is always there that you will lose your job and be black-balled. It is really hard to "do the right thing" if it can damage the reputation of a program - people think they'll be brought down as collateral damage.

I had an issue with our basketball program and while discussing it with an administrator I was told, "we're not going to bother coach with that, he just needs to worry about winning". Seriously? What ever happened to doing the right thing? College athletics is a business, ends justify the means.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

As someone who works in a DI athletic department, I have to tell you that the administrators response doesn't surprise me in the least, although I would have expected better from someone who I thought was as classy as Joe Pa. DI coaches, especially football and basketball coaches, aren't expected to worry about anything but winning. I'm sure the AD told coach, "don't worry, we'll take care of it". The AD doesn't want ANY bad press about his department so he'll get his boss to sign off on burying this story and *hope* that it doesn't happen again on campus. I'm not surprised that the grad assistant and janitors didn't want to call police, no one wants to be the person to speak up in that situation because the fear is always there that you will lose your job and be black-balled. It is really hard to "do the right thing" if it can damage the reputation of a program - people think they'll be brought down as collateral damage.

I had an issue with our basketball program and while discussing it with an administrator I was told, "we're not going to bother coach with that, he just needs to worry about winning". Seriously? What ever happened to doing the right thing? College athletics is a business, ends justify the means.

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[Danzig]

if something like that was reported to me, i'd move heaven and earth to make sure that everyone was contacted that should be contacted. that's not a can you kick down the road.
i've always been a psu fan, joe is the only coach i've ever known there-he's been coaching longer than i've been on this planet.
but having read what i've read...it's a shame his career will end like this, and i'd never thought i'd say so, but joe needs to retire. but then, who thought something like this would come out? it's a disgrace, a complete and utter disgrace. that child deserved more, let alone the school, the students, etc. that's what it comes down to, that poor boy and who knows who else. disgusting, reprehensible. there aren't words to describe how awful this is.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if something like that was reported to me, i'd move heaven and earth to make sure that everyone was contacted that should be contacted. that's not a can you kick down the road.
i've always been a psu fan, joe is the only coach i've ever known there-he's been coaching longer than i've been on this planet.
but having read what i've read...it's a shame his career will end like this, and i'd never thought i'd say so, but joe needs to retire. but then, who thought something like this would come out? it's a disgrace, a complete and utter disgrace. that child deserved more, let alone the school, the students, etc. that's what it comes down to, that poor boy and who knows who else. disgusting, reprehensible. there aren't words to describe how awful this is.

I agree with everything you say, the only question is exactly what did the grad student tell Joe? I think we need to know that before deciding the appropriateness of Joe's actions. This is a young man who was possibly feeling enormous pressure and we don't know as of yet how he presented things to Joe....was it a case of, "I'm not sure what I saw but I'm concerned" or did he forcefully present details?