Frankel

King Glorious · #1 10-15-2011, 02:47 PM

GAnd I disagree with your assertion that racing is about proving who can stay a long distance of ground. Just as with human runners, there are all kinds of different types. Usain Bolt doesn't have to prove he can run a marathon to still be one of the best sprinters in history. I think there is something to being the best in the world at what you do. You prefer the stayers and that's fine. But that doesn't make everyone that likes sprinters or milers wrong. Just different opinions. Michael Jordan couldn't do what Kareem Abdul-Jabbar could do and vice versa but that doesn't mean that they both weren't all-time greats.

He wouldn't need to beat Nathaniel at 10-12f any more than Nathaniel would need to beat him at 7-8f. Either of them doing so would ADD to their greatness but neither loses anything by not doing it.

RolloTomasi · #2 10-15-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

And I disagree with your assertion that racing is about proving who can stay a long distance of ground. You prefer the stayers and that's fine.

Of course, I said nothing of the sort.

And you certainly didn't make it clear in your original post that you were only stating that Frankel was a great miler. I suspect a change of tune, to be perfectly honest.

Nevertheless, I apologize if I misinterpreted:

The horse is a top class runner wherever he runs and whatever distance he runs at. I don't think that he has to run further to prove that.

...to mean that Frankel should be credited with stamina he hasn't displayed in a sanctioned race.

I guess the allusion to Ghostzapper threw me off.

King Glorious · #3 10-15-2011, 03:38 PM

I can see how that was taken that way but it wasn't what I meant. What I meant is that I think he is a top class runner and could perform well going further. It's my belief that he'd do very well going 10f but I'm far less optimistic about 12f. While this is just my belief, I offer no proof that he could.....because their is none. There is also no proof that he couldn't and I don't think saying because they haven't tried it yet offers proof that he can't. The GZ reference was because I remembered hearing the same kind of things before he stretched out. I think that great horses do things that don't fall into the ordinary and I think Frankel is a great horse who's legend or reputation would be enhanced by beating top horses going longer but will still be that of a top class horse, at least in my mind, even if he never races past 8f.

brockguy · #4 10-15-2011, 04:10 PM

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...n-qeii/932495/

Frankel got the joint highest Racing Post Rating ever after today's race. To be honest, I didnt think it was THAT good. I am always a little bit skeptical when they justify the winner's huge rating by giving the runner up a fairly big mark as well. While Excelebration is OK, I dont think he is as good as the ratings suggest.

I remember when Sea The Stars was winning, the handicappers were giving ridiculous ratings to horses like Fame and Glory and Rip Van Winkle who were decent but nothing brilliant.

It will be great to see him next year though (fingers crossed). I just hope the prospect of an unbeaten horse doesn't prevent them from showing everyone what Frankel can actually do. I would absolutely love to see him do something like Queen Anne - Eclipse - Juddmonte - Arc - Breeders Cup Classic next year but I dont think they will be that maverick..