Occupy Wall Street

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot;811074]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are literally thousand of cameras at these things. If there was police brutality we would be seeing it and hearing all about it. We aren't.[/QUOT

Uh, yes, we are. At least those of us willing to pay attention - try YouTube, "Boston Occupy Wall Street" Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu63e7QD_5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Swf5...eature=related

Or, Occupy New York, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMFfU9kj8P8



But of course, you've already dismissed it as, "made up". Even though the mainstream media isn't showing most of it, but yet it's all over YouTube due to civilian media.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

This is the evidence? Lol
Of all the protests all over the country this is what you have?

Did the police not clearly give ample warning in Boston? One guy falls down? So it is ok to not obey the police now? Please give me a break. The mainstream media isnt showing it because it is hardly newsworthy.

[Antitrust32]

Fu.ck the Police

[Riot]

Originally Posted by CannonShell

This is the evidence? Lol
Of all the protests all over the country this is what you have?

Did the police not clearly give ample warning in Boston? One guy falls down? So it is ok to not obey the police now? Please give me a break. The mainstream media isnt showing it because it is hardly newsworthy.

What's the emoticon for, "I simply refuse to consider any evidence that is contrary to the opinion I have already formed" ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What's the emoticon for, "I simply refuse to consider any evidence that is contrary to the opinion I have already formed" ?

Pot meet kettle. Seriously? You think there is cases of police brutality in that Boston video? Arresting people that resist isnt always pretty but when the police tell you to go you are supposed to go. Pretty simple. Are the police just supposed to walk away and not do their job? Are they supposed to do the Vulcan nerve pinch and render them helpless?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pot meet kettle. Seriously? You think there is cases of police brutality in that Boston video? Arresting people that resist isnt always pretty but when the police tell you to go you are supposed to go. Pretty simple. Are the police just supposed to walk away and not do their job? Are they supposed to do the Vulcan nerve pinch and render them helpless?

When a protester is standing still, not resisting arrest, you place handcuffs on them, take them by the elbow, and walk them to the paddy wagon. If they are sitting quietly or passively relaxing, you handcuff them, and two police drag them by the elbows to the paddy wagon.

You do NOT charge into them in a group, waving your batons, hitting them when there is zero resistance, throwing them to the ground, and sitting on them, then dragging them across the ground to the paddy wagon.

As is visible in multiple videos of the "Boston Cops vs Veterans for Peace" videos out there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

When a protester is standing still, not resisting arrest, you place handcuffs on them, take them by the elbow, and walk them to the paddy wagon. If they are sitting quietly or passively relaxing, you handcuff them, and two police drag them by the elbows to the paddy wagon.

You do NOT charge into them in a group, waving your batons, hitting them when there is zero resistance, throwing them to the ground, and sitting on them, then dragging them across the ground to the paddy wagon.

As is visible in multiple videos of the "Boston Cops vs Veterans for Peace" videos out there.

ok Commissioner Gordon

One of those lousy California Pizza Kitchen frozen pizza was $8.29 at Kroger.

Things are getting bad when 4 bags of groceries cost more than a day rate for an escort.

[Riot]

This is a great video from OccupyBoston.com website, about the night the Boston police came and destroyed the second camp - which was livestreamed btw - they came in and took all the campers belongings over a couple hour, and threw them out (stealing private property, but I guess that doesn't count - - then came back for the protesters, going through the Veterans for Peace first

We had this odd announcement from the mayor of Boston:

“I will not tolerate civil disobedience in the city of Boston,”

– Thomas Menino, mayor of the city where patriots staged the most celebrated act of civil disobedience in American history, The Boston Tea Party

www.occupyboston.com go down to mid page, where it says,
"Video of Boston Police Arresting Peaceful Protesters
Posted on October 14, 2011"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

One of those lousy California Pizza Kitchen frozen pizza was $8.29 at Kroger.

Things are getting bad when 4 bags of groceries cost more than a day rate for an escort.

Tell me you didnt

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811098]

Originally Posted by Riot

This is the evidence? Lol
Of all the protests all over the country this is what you have?

Did the police not clearly give ample warning in Boston? One guy falls down? So it is ok to not obey the police now? Please give me a break. The mainstream media isnt showing it because it is hardly newsworthy.

Whenever even one person is injured or worse during a peaceful protest, it's newsworthy! We have taken the moral high ground in condemning crackdowns on peaceful demonstrations throughout the world yet posters here want to rationalize same when it occurs here...sure, the death tole hasn't started...yet. But history tells us it may at any time...whenever common folk take to the streets to demand their rights, the status quo reacts the same...the copper bosses didn't hire thugs to brutalize workers, Joe Hill wasn't railroaded, Dr King was a Commie troublemaker and Bull Connor a loyal civil servant, Kent State and Jackson State were the fault of radical troublemakers etc etc...

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=somerfrost;811102]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Whenever even one person is injured or worse during a peaceful protest, it's newsworthy! We have taken the moral high ground in condemning crackdowns on peaceful demonstrations throughout the world yet posters here want to rationalize same when it occurs here...sure, the death tole hasn't started...yet. But history tells us it may at any time...whenever common folk take to the streets to demand their rights, the status quo reacts the same...the copper bosses didn't hire thugs to brutalize workers, Joe Hill wasn't railroaded, Dr King was a Commie troublemaker and Bull Connor a loyal civil servant, Kent State and Jackson State were the fault of radical troublemakers etc etc...

Give me a break. When you are repeatedly warned that you are to disperse, you are supposed to disperse. We have laws in this country that are to be followed so that we dont have riots. You cant complain about one set of laws when you dont follow another. If you are injured resisting arrest then it is your fault. Nothing in that video looked like police brutality.

[jms62]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811111]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Give me a break. When you are repeatedly warned that you are to disperse, you are supposed to disperse. We have laws in this country that are to be followed so that we dont have riots. You cant complain about one set of laws when you dont follow another. If you are injured resisting arrest then it is your fault. Nothing in that video looked like police brutality.

I think I need a drink because I agree with you.

[Riot]

[quote=jms62;811112]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think I need a drink because I agree with you.

So if someone is accused of breaking a misdemeanor law, and stands there passively without resistance as the police come to arrest them, the police are entitled to beat them in the process of the arrest, because they are of course guilty?

Holy ****ing crap.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot;811120]

Originally Posted by jms62

So if someone is accused of breaking a misdemeanor law, and stands there passively without resistance as the police come to arrest them, the police are entitled to beat them in the process of the arrest, because they are of course guilty?

Holy ****ing crap.

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

[jms62]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811128]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

Cannon wtf i never posted that. Things are effed up here

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811111]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Give me a break. When you are repeatedly warned that you are to disperse, you are supposed to disperse. We have laws in this country that are to be followed so that we dont have riots. You cant complain about one set of laws when you dont follow another. If you are injured resisting arrest then it is your fault. Nothing in that video looked like police brutality.

As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=somerfrost;811122]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.

What should they do? How would you deal with it? Comparing Kent state and the videos Riot posted is laughable. How would you deal with a situation where people intentionally bring about confrontation by not following police orders?

[somerfrost]

[quote=Cannon Shell;811130]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

What should they do? How would you deal with it? Comparing Kent state and the videos Riot posted is laughable. How would you deal with a situation where people intentionally bring about confrontation by not following police orders?

Kent State is part of history and shows what can happen when those in power think they have a right to use said power with no regard for the consequences. Once again, reading comprehension comes into play, I never compared Kent to recent events but used it as an example of past events...what could very easily happen again if folks allow....nonviolence civil disobedience is preferred to violent riots I think you'd agree...neither side is 100% blameless because even in the most noble endeavors there are bound to be some lawless individuals who will seize the opportunity, that doesn't mean authorities have a green light to repress those who are acting in an appropriate manner. Common sense and foresight are not too much to expect, the thing I always taught new officers at the prison was never back inmates into a corner where they feel they must defend their "manhood" always give them a peaceful alternative, you are in control and things will always work out in your favor. Sure, there comes a time when physical force becomes necessary but ONLY AS A LAST RESORT! The letter of the law should never replace the objective of the law!

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=somerfrost;811146]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Kent State is part of history and shows what can happen when those in power think they have a right to use said power with no regard for the consequences. Once again, reading comprehension comes into play, I never compared Kent to recent events but used it as an example of past events...what could very easily happen again if folks allow....nonviolence civil disobedience is preferred to violent riots I think you'd agree...neither side is 100% blameless because even in the most noble endeavors there are bound to be some lawless individuals who will seize the opportunity, that doesn't mean authorities have a green light to repress those who are acting in an appropriate manner. Common sense and foresight are not too much to expect, the thing I always taught new officers at the prison was never back inmates into a corner where they feel they must defend their "manhood" always give them a peaceful alternative, you are in control and things will always work out in your favor. Sure, there comes a time when physical force becomes necessary but ONLY AS A LAST RESORT! The letter of the law should never replace the objective of the law!

At some point people will understand bringing up something in the same context of a subject is in effect comparing the situations otherwise why bring it up? I'm quite sure my comprehension of what you were saying is quite clear.

Again maybe this time you will answer the question if you can comprehend it. If you were the police and given orders to disperse a crowd that refused to move what would you do?