ATR Hall of Fame Debate: Gio Ponti?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Hey Seth,

FTFY

To date, the absolutely worst non-takedown I've ever seen

How about Powerscourt in the BC, That horse hit everything but Mrs. Crabtree in the Clubhouse(she was in ladies room doing a blast)

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How about Powerscourt in the BC, That horse hit everything but Mrs. Crabtree in the Clubhouse(she was in ladies room doing a blast)

Freddy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHXAij8EIk

Unfortunately the pan shot doesn't do it justice, if you can get the head on, it's brutal.

The beauty of this replay is listening to Grunder call Karelian "Curly Ann" throughout the race... luv mah boy

[postpicker]

You ask about Gio Ponti which made me think of another horse. How do you compare Gio Ponti HOF credentials with Better Talk Now credentials. Do either of them belong? Personally, I think they both belong in the HOF. Problem is, the horses with potential to be in the HOF this century have shortened careers and one can say it will cheapen the HOF if they get in. Thinking with your head and not your heart, does Barbaro belong in the HOF. No, but it will not surprise me he gets in. Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex are two others with shortened careers that could be put in same category as Barbaro, even though their credentials are better. Both won 2/3 of the Triple Crown but did not race after the Belmont Stakes, so record wise, I'd say both are better than Charismatic and he isnt in the HOF. But with a lack of quality horses becoming eligible in a few years, I can see one or all three getting in.

[Calzone Lord]

Other than Manila and Fort Marcy -- who are the other turf males in the Hall of Fame without any dirt racing success?

Better Talk Now will never get in.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by postpicker

You ask about Gio Ponti which made me think of another horse. How do you compare Gio Ponti HOF credentials with Better Talk Now credentials. Do either of them belong? Personally, I think they both belong in the HOF. Problem is, the horses with potential to be in the HOF this century have shortened careers and one can say it will cheapen the HOF if they get in. Thinking with your head and not your heart, does Barbaro belong in the HOF. No, but it will not surprise me he gets in. Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex are two others with shortened careers that could be put in same category as Barbaro, even though their credentials are better. Both won 2/3 of the Triple Crown but did not race after the Belmont Stakes, so record wise, I'd say both are better than Charismatic and he isnt in the HOF. But with a lack of quality horses becoming eligible in a few years, I can see one or all three getting in.

If any of those three get in, Bold Forbes deserves to be in. He would have flossed with Smarty Jones, Afleet Alex and Barbaro, IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by postpicker

You ask about Gio Ponti which made me think of another horse. How do you compare Gio Ponti HOF credentials with Better Talk Now credentials. Do either of them belong? Personally, I think they both belong in the HOF. Problem is, the horses with potential to be in the HOF this century have shortened careers and one can say it will cheapen the HOF if they get in. Thinking with your head and not your heart, does Barbaro belong in the HOF. No, but it will not surprise me he gets in. Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex are two others with shortened careers that could be put in same category as Barbaro, even though their credentials are better. Both won 2/3 of the Triple Crown but did not race after the Belmont Stakes, so record wise, I'd say both are better than Charismatic and he isnt in the HOF. But with a lack of quality horses becoming eligible in a few years, I can see one or all three getting in.

Smarty Jones, Afleet Alex and Barbaro dont deserve to be HoF horses. They simply didnt do enough though now days it seems to be a popularity contest and TC horses get an unbelievable amount of publicity versus a turf horse or even a good older horse.

Gio Ponte has been favored in 17 of 28 starts and lost 11 of those 17 times. I don't know how to interpretate this but his inclusion into the hall of Fame would make Jim Rice's selection look good. Shouldnt Hall of Fame horses win 17 out of 28? I know he has those grade 1 wins but they mostly came against subpar competition.

[nebrady]

Gio was one of the most consistent horses there was and if it wasn't for zenyatta and goldikova he would have won two breeders cup races. Won many grade 1 races and won on turf and synthetic. To me it is not even a question. Gonna miss you gio. hope you go out a winner on breeders cup day!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by nebrady

Gio was one of the most consistent horses there was and if it wasn't for zenyatta and goldikova he would have won two breeders cup races. !

If it wasnt for the Raiders the Eagles would have a superbowl trophy.

or a better one for you

If it wasnt for the Giants the Patriots would have been 19-0.