10/1 (BEL): JCGC, Beldame, JHTC, Vosburgh, FlwrBwl (G1's), Kelso (G2)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

After the race they started talking about Uncle Mo in the classic. The connections should look at the Dirt Mile instead. I don't think he would be as effective at 1 1/4, especially when looking at the possible starters of the 2 races. He would be overbet, but not even be top 3 at the finish in the Classic compared to winning the Dirt Mile. IMO

I disagree. I think he is far more effective if he is relaxed in the early stages of the race, something far less likely to happen in the mile than in the classic.

And this horse will have no issues with distance. I don't really get how people can watch him race and think otherwise.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I disagree. I think he is far more effective if he is relaxed in the early stages of the race, something far less likely to happen in the mile than in the classic.

And this horse will have no issues with distance. I don't really get how people can watch him race and think otherwise.

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

Yeah, but he seems like he can rate very well. I would think that the tactics would be different for him depending on which race he went into. If he does go in the mile, I would expect him to rate off what could be a hot pace (like the King's Bishop). If he went into the classic, I would expect him to be much closer to the front, with the chance of getting away by the time they entered the stretch.

I'm not sure what you mean by normal kick, isn't all relative on how the rest of the race plays out? I know he was coming off a layoff, but he got nailed at the wire going 7 furlongs. Was that his normal kick?

I just feel like that he has a better chance of giving that dominate/special performance that everyone is waiting for in the classic, where he might be able to take control of the race. As opposed to the mile where it might look like the King's Bishop again. Where he rates for the speed to fold and tries to get the jump on the closers.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

It's ridiculous to say he can't when:

1. He's never been asked to do it and...

2. He runs like he should have no problems with it.

As for the pedigree, that's ludicrous. For the first seven years or so at stud, IC got nothing but dogfood quality mares. Now that he's been getting better mares sent to him, his progeny seem to be less speed oriented.

Mo is out of an Arch mare as well, which should provide stamina.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It's ridiculous to say he can't when:

1. He's never been asked to do it and...

2. He runs like he should have no problems with it.

As for the pedigree, that's ludicrous. For the first seven years or so at stud, IC got nothing but dogfood quality mares. Now that he's been getting better mares sent to him, his progeny seem to be less speed oriented.

Mo is out of an Arch mare as well, which should provide stamina.

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs. Now he's a cinch in the BC because he wired after setting soft fractions in a flat mile race on the slop?

I only hope the wagering public approaches it the same way you do, since you know I'll be the first to give you credit should he win, but he is a horrible bet at his likely odds in the BC.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs.

One really can't say the distance was a problem since he was sick when he ran the Wood Memorial. I look forward to seeing what a healthy Mo can do.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs. Now he's a cinch in the BC because he wired after setting soft fractions in a flat mile race on the slop?

I only hope the wagering public approaches it the same way you do, since you know I'll be the first to give you credit should he win, but he is a horrible bet at his likely odds in the BC.

I never said he's a cinch, though obviously I think he's going to be very difficult to beat.

What I have been saying is that it's ridiculous to say he can't get 10f. There is absolutely nothing real to indicate that he cannot. At least at this point.

I think a year later, it's likely he can get an extra 1.5 furlongs over the CD surface.

His race the other day means little to me.