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[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I'm a full fledged socialist, where do I rank on the crazy meter?? Should I be committed to an institution?

I dunno. You source a serious threat for universal health care. And civil liberties for all.

Here's a great opinion piece by a college history teacher, talking about how his class was astounded to realize how seriously their 4th amendment rights (search and seizure, citizenship, voting, etc.) have been recently removed and eroded.

(That's right, Tea Party, your rights have been removed, in a very real manner, and you haven't even noticed, being distracted by shiny birth certificates and Muslim Communists dangled before you by GOP-TV)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...ek?via=siderec

A good long piece, with specific examples and detail, but some excerpts:

On a whim, I mentioned that the Supreme Court had decided a few months ago that a warrant is no longer necessary for police to enter your home if they believe you might be destroying evidence (Kentucky v. King).

I pointed out the various ways in which all three kinds of citizenship are being eroded today, not just by fringy wingnuts, but by presidential candidates themselves, by Congress, and by the Supreme Court. Again, my students were astonished. They didn’t know about the Citizens United decision, which gave corporations more citizenship rights than individuals by allowing them to contribute unlimited amounts of money to campaigns. They didn’t know that another recent court decision prevents class-action lawsuits by workers against large corporations (Wal-Mart v. Dukes). They didn’t know that some state legislatures had passed laws this year preventing college students from voting in their college towns. They didn’t know that their own elected representatives had argued this summer on the floor of the House that poor women shouldn’t have access to abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or endangerment to the mother. They didn’t know about the efforts to eliminate Social Security and Medicare.

There was widespread alarm in the classroom. In fact, it got downright loud as students turned to each other and expressed their dismay—but that was a good thing. Sometimes I like it when my classroom gets loud. In this case it meant that my students were excited and talking about things they didn’t know before.

[Cannon Shell]

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day.

What's funny is that an opinion piece in the Daily Kos was more balanced than basically any post by Riot. After reading the piece it seemed as though the writer purposely avoided holding a particular party (GOP 99% of the time in any Daily Kos piece) responsible as in his/her opinion the erosion of civil liberties has been occuring for a long time. Naturally this sentiment wasn't conveyed by Riots post. But hey thats what happens when you actually read the links.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The "so called" Patriot act was passed by the Senate 98-1. Seems like a whole lot of Democratic Senators were tuned into GOP.tv that day.

What's funny is that an opinion piece in the Daily Kos was more balanced than basically any post by Riot. After reading the piece it seemed as though the writer purposely avoided holding a particular party (GOP 99% of the time in any Daily Kos piece) responsible as in his/her opinion the erosion of civil liberties has been occuring for a long time. Naturally this sentiment wasn't conveyed by Riots post. But hey thats what happens when you actually read the links.

LOL - and more balanced than any post by you, too Yes, I read the link, which is why I posted it. Even the part where I directly quoted the different sources of our removal of liberties (something you apparently didn't even notice before you attacked me for, you know, not doing that?)

I'm frankly surprised you read it at all, rather than dismiss it out-of-hand because it was posted on the KOS website. Good for you.

Yes, make the argument that the Democratic Party and those nasty "lefties" have been the ones spearheading the removal of our civil liberties generally. Wait, let me get some popcorn.

How Chuck's mind works:

Riot made a post link about how all of government is eroding our civil liberties.
Riot even quotes part of the post that says this.

But Chuck says Riot couldn't have read the post she posted, because Riot doesn't think all of government is eroding our civil liberties. Even though Riot just posted a post that said the opposite, and emphasized it.

In other words, no matter what I actually say or do, Chuck will freely attribute the opposite to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - and more balanced than any post by you, too Yes, I read the link, which is why I posted it. Even the part where I directly quoted the different sources of our removal of liberties (something you apparently didn't even notice before you attacked me for, you know, not doing that?)

I'm frankly surprised you read it at all, rather than dismiss it out-of-hand because it was posted on the KOS website. Good for you.

Yes, make the argument that the Democratic Party and those nasty "lefties" have been the ones spearheading the removal of our civil liberties generally. Wait, let me get some popcorn.

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

98-1 in favor of the Patriot act.

Yes, that was, you know, sort of the point I made with the link.

Duh.

We'll now let you tell us how the Democrats and those "lefties" are taking away our civil liberties: voting rights, abortion rights, unionization rights, worker protections, etc:













Crickets.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, that was, you know, sort of the point I made with the link.

Duh.

We'll now let you tell us how the Democrats and those "lefties" are taking away our civil liberties: voting rights, abortion rights, unionization rights, worker protections, etc:













Crickets.

So the Democrats that voted for the Patroit act werent really Democrats or the Patriot act wasn't that bad? Has the head Democrat moved to repeal that? Oh thats right he hasn't.

Blame, blame, blame, rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the Democrats that voted for the Patroit act werent really Democrats or the Patriot act wasn't that bad? Has the head Democrat moved to repeal that? Oh thats right he hasn't.

Blame, blame, blame, rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric...

Nice straw man. Try again addressing the original question

Which parties are generally supportive of, and which are against: Glass-Steagel, Citizens United, abortion rights, voting rights, unionization rights, workers rights?