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Old 08-25-2011, 04:53 PM
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Yeah, I say $45K isn't enough for teachers. I think teachers are so important, and so be revered in this society, that the job should start at $60-$75K and go up to $120K or so. Then teaching would attract the best and brightest, like medical schools.

Not suffer from having their best people who "burn out" after 15 years.
yeah, we can pay everyone what they think they deserve. in fantasyland.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:57 PM
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yeah, we can pay everyone what they think they deserve. in fantasyland.
Countries - societies - value some things, and abhor others. The United States has indeed become unique among first world countries in what we do not value in this society, compared to other first world countries.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:12 PM
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Countries - societies - value some things, and abhor others. The United States has indeed become unique among first world countries in what we do not value in this society, compared to other first world countries.
So...in what current society does a teacher make more than 45k...not counting tenure?
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:34 PM
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So...in what current society does a teacher make more than 45k...not counting tenure?
Let's compare teacher salaries after 15 years experience, compared to GDP, okay? Who pays experienced teachers more than the United States, adjusted to GDP? (which means their salary is comparatively higher in their country compared to this country)

Korea
Germany
Portugal
Japan
Scotland
New Zealand
Switzerland
Mexico
Spain
England
Czech Republic
Turkey
Slovenia
Ireland
Belgium (FI)
Australia
Greece
Netherlands
Belgium (Fr)
Denmark
Chile
Finland
Austria
Italy
France
United States

Who pays more than the United States, in straight unadjusted teachers salary after 15 years experience?

Luxemburg
Korea
Switzerland
Germany
Ireland
Japan
Scotland
England
Netherlands
Australia
United States

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...und-the-world/
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:42 PM
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Let's compare teacher salaries after 15 years experience, compared to GDP, okay? Who pays experienced teachers more than the United States, adjusted to GDP? (which means their salary is comparatively higher in their country compared to this country)

Korea
Germany
Portugal
Japan
Scotland
New Zealand
Switzerland
Mexico
Spain
England
Czech Republic
Turkey
Slovenia
Ireland
Belgium (FI)
Australia
Greece
Netherlands
Belgium (Fr)
Denmark
Chile
Finland
Austria
Italy
France
United States

Who pays more than the United States, in straight unadjusted teachers salary after 15 years experience?

Luxemburg
Korea
Switzerland
Germany
Ireland
Japan
Scotland
England
Netherlands
Australia
United States

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...und-the-world/
Well....its obvious we're getting our moneys worth then....considering how well our kids stack up against other countries students! Who goofed I've got to know!
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:44 PM
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Well....its obvious we're getting our moneys worth then....considering how well our kids stack up against other countries students! Who goofed I've got to know!
That is about where we are comparing our students to those countries. Our kids stack up very poorly to the kids in those countries.
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Let's compare teacher salaries after 15 years experience, compared to GDP, okay? Who pays experienced teachers more than the United States, adjusted to GDP? (which means their salary is comparatively higher in their country compared to this country)

Korea
Germany
Portugal
Japan
Scotland
New Zealand
Switzerland
Mexico
Spain
England
Czech Republic
Turkey
Slovenia
Ireland
Belgium (FI)
Australia
Greece
Netherlands
Belgium (Fr)
Denmark
Chile
Finland
Austria
Italy
France
United States

Who pays more than the United States, in straight unadjusted teachers salary after 15 years experience?

Luxemburg
Korea
Switzerland
Germany
Ireland
Japan
Scotland
England
Netherlands
Australia
United States

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...und-the-world/
how many of those countries' schools go all year, not part year like us?
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:44 PM
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how many of those countries' schools go all year, not part year like us?
I don't know. I'm too depressed for the teachers in my family after that.
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Teachers and autoworkers unions are almost purely political organiations now. They still fleece as much as possible but mainly to add more money to their own account.

Comparing the US to countries like Luxemborg is silly. When adjusted for GDP of course we will look worse.

The idea that Mexican teachers make more money than our teachers is funny. I had a guy working for me as a groom a few years ago from Mexico that was great at fixing stuff around the barn. I asked him what he did in Mexico. He said he worked as an electrician for the power company. I asked him why he was here since that job sounded like it should pay pretty well. He said he made about $125 a week there (which he thought was ok) but the real reason he quit was that sometimes when they were on the poles if too many people called to complain about power being off, the supervisors would turn the power back on. A guess a couple ofhis coworkers got zapped. He made around $450 a week here. So if skilled electricians were making $125 a week in an extremely dangerous job I'm doubting that Mexican teacjers are making out really well.

The idea that 45k as an entry level salary is not good in most area's of the country is laughable.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:10 PM
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I don't know. I'm too depressed for the teachers in my family after that.
the reason i asked if those teachers worked similar days/hours is how else can you assure a valid comparison? you can't just say they make more and say that is that. if it is not apples to apples, it is not valid
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