Obamacare

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

How is this remotely a serious question? Are you completely ignorant of how business works? Because when people work to set up systems, we pay them. We don't demand they work for free.



Because of Republican fear that, god forbid, one American pay one penny they don't want to for another American's well-being.

Did you pay zero attention during the healthcare debates? It sure seems like it.



I don't know. Why don't you ask the private insurance companies that are going to continue to write those policies on the exchanges?

I assume you already know that won't have anything at all to do with you, as you are already insured.



Because that's what happens now with your insurance, and the ACA doesn't change that. Maybe you don't understand the concept of "groups" and "spread risk"?



So you' rather have people who are uninsured now, remain uninsured, than to pay for a portion of their health insurance? That's stupid. I want them to pay what they can, and stop costing me an arm and a leg by being uninsured, and having me cover 100% of their cost to go to the ER now. I'm paying for them now, and they can start paying a fair share. You are against that? Ridiculous.



Really? Prove it. Quote actual figures. Because every other financial organization that has looked at it has scored your contention as false.

Stop pretending to know anything about health care and the ACA and have "reasons" to dislike the ACA. It's clear you do not. You never mention anything factual. Just say you hate Obama, and everything he is associated with. That would be at least be respectable due to honesty.

all well and good...except for this part:


overall, obamacare will cause a 127 billion dollar increase in spending by 2020. where will that money come from? that's the difference between the savings in medicare, but the corresponding increased cost of medicaid. obamacare isn't a foolproof plan at all, and certainly isn't the savings that was trumpeted at the time it was passed. all they talked about was the savings to medicare-and that's true. the increase in medicaid isn't mentioned much, is it?
and i also read that obama and his admin are wanting the supreme court to hold off on any obamacare case until after the next election. that if the portion of the law that requires you to purchase insurance is struck down, it takes the whole law down as it will then have to be reworked. that they might try to get the appeals court to re-hear the case as one way to slow it from reaching the supreme court as quickly.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and i also read that obama and his admin are wanting the supreme court to hold off on any obamacare case until after the next election. that if the portion of the law that requires you to purchase insurance is struck down, it takes the whole law down as it will then have to be reworked. that they might try to get the appeals court to re-hear the case as one way to slow it from reaching the supreme court as quickly.

I hope Chief Justice Roberts gives Obama a nice two word message (not "Happy Birthday") on waiting to hear the case.

Nothing we can do about the appeals re-hearing if that in fact requires a delay in the Supreme Court.

Funny how it's always about that next election, isn't it? I mean, both sides play that game, but in this case it doesn't matter how unconstitutional or ineffective toward improving health the law will be, as long as it's after the next election.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I hope Chief Justice Roberts gives Obama a nice two word message (not "Happy Birthday") on waiting to hear the case.

Nothing we can do about the appeals re-hearing if that in fact requires a delay in the Supreme Court.

Funny how it's always about that next election, isn't it? I mean, both sides play that game, but in this case it doesn't matter how unconstitutional or ineffective toward improving health the law will be, as long as it's after the next election.

asking the appellate court to reconsider the case is one delaying tactic. of course the hope would be that they change their decision, which would be a slim chance at best.

all i know regarding politics is that the adage of 'how great the sin when someone else commits is' really fits pols well. they both engage in the same tactics, and they both reproach the other for doing so.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

asking the appellate court to reconsider the case is one delaying tactic. of course the hope would be that they change their decision, which would be a slim chance at best.

Haven't the appellate courts already ruled 3-2 in favor of the Affordable Care Act mandate provision?

Or were that the lower courts, with the appellates in favor 2-1?

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