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clyde · #1 08-22-2011, 12:38 PM

Masterson would be many teams true ace.

Jimenot is our 6th starter by virtue of the era's for pitchers who have stated this year.In fact...he's probably our no. 2 long reliever.

We got him to ensure we fail this year.

slotdirt · #2 08-22-2011, 12:44 PM

Well, most Indians fans that I know think they're a "lock" for the division next year.

The good news on our end is that the contracts of "Singlio" Ordonez and Carlos Guillen both come off the books after 2011. If the Tigers could take that extra $22 million or so and point it towards a starter and middle infielder, there's no reason they can't contend with the Indians again next year.

clyde · #3 08-22-2011, 12:51 PM

I am not one of those.

There are huge questions at third,first and even second as well as 2 outfield spots.Santana has DH written all over him and Kipness hasn't played nearly long enough to feel safe.

The pitching is swell ,but will always be less as they keep trying to force feed Jimenot so as to try and convince the trade was a sage one.

Imagine if they could throw out Drew P. and A. White next year.That would make them contenders.

But we seem to have lost them.

slotdirt · #4 08-22-2011, 01:03 PM

Well, at least Drew P. is out for the year with an appendectomy. Silver lining.

clyde · #5 08-22-2011, 01:20 PM

Well that wasn't very nice.

But he'll be back...Shapiro will be hung in effigy by July.

horseofcourse · #6 08-22-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde

I am not one of those.

There are huge questions at third,first and even second as well as 2 outfield spots.Santana has DH written all over him and Kipness hasn't played nearly long enough to feel safe.

The pitching is swell ,but will always be less as they keep trying to force feed Jimenot so as to try and convince the trade was a sage one.

Imagine if they could throw out Drew P. and A. White next year.That would make them contenders.

But we seem to have lost them.

Exactly this....this is why I was so focused on 2012 as the year (this is a historical record, you can see these posts from last September!). The guys they traded the big names for have developed...(Masterson, Carrasco). Tomlin has exceeded expectations, and Exhausto has settled into a serviceable 4th or 5th starter in between 2007 Exhausto and 2009 Exhausto. 2012 was the year White and Pomeranz would start to pay dividends (White did a little this year before his finger injury. HE does start Tue in Colorado which will be interesting.) It's all a blind prayer now.

clyde · #7 08-22-2011, 04:57 PM

Same way I felt,HC.

I didn't think, as events went on,the Tribe could survive the playoff race although injuries have not helped.Trying to act like a Boston or New York and grabbing a " difference maker" for whom they would have to empty out the farm system made no sense.They were poised, like you said, to make a splash in '12/'13 ( and/ or).

They can't even do wrong right...if you know what I mean.

Now, again thanks to the braindust, we have to be more forward hoping.

clyde · #8 08-22-2011, 06:43 PM

Exhausto is earning his name tonight.

Should he go on in order to preserve an 18 hitter,he will have thrown at this rate......256.5 pitches.

horseofcourse · #9 08-22-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by clyde

Exhausto is earning his name tonight.

Should he go on in order to preserve an 18 hitter,he will have thrown at this rate......256.5 pitches.

Did his job. not great, but 2 runs in 6 is fine. If Ubaldo had pitched all his games like Exhausto since the trade, they'd be 4-0 in his starts and not 1-3. cleveland sporty fans thought I was completely insane when I said he wasn't as good as Exhausto.

7 quality starts in his last 9 games. His two non quality starts are zero runs in 2 innings and the injury and 4 runs in 7.1 innings. If Ubaldo had pitched every game like Exhausto's WORST game in the last two months we'd be 4-0 in those games.