8/20 (SAR): Alabama S. (G1); Lake Placid S. (G2)

[King Glorious]

One thing I've always liked to believe is that it helps to know the history of the horse in question. What you might see as a question mark, something like being washy or antsy or balking going into the gate, might be quite normal for that horse and no need for concern. To me, it's no different than knowing trainer patterns. A horse working a 58 4/5 for one trainer might cause you to really open your eyes but if you see a Baffert horse do it, it's kinda ho-hum.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

One thing I've always liked to believe is that it helps to know the history of the horse in question. What you might see as a question mark, something like being washy or antsy or balking going into the gate, might be quite normal for that horse and no need for concern. To me, it's no different than knowing trainer patterns. A horse working a 58 4/5 for one trainer might cause you to really open your eyes but if you see a Baffert horse do it, it's kinda ho-hum.

Agree which is why it boogles my mind that tracks actually pay people to tell you how a horse looks and is behaving. That money could be better used on some track improvements or something worthwhile like TB retirement or helping backstretch workers.

[Seattleallstar]

Winter Memories didnt fire today, and couple that with a bad ride.

Plus the tri paid more than the super, that was a bit unusual. But I guess you have to imagine most tickets had Winter on top

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Winter Memories didnt fire today, and couple that with a bad ride.

What was so bad about it? I don't think the ride made much of a difference. She was kept inside for much of the way by the others riding against her well. She didn't have the punch on the last part of the turn to go outside and have the clear run. She was simply beat and is another victim of the reputation induced phenomenon.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What was so bad about it? I don't think the ride made much of a difference. She was kept inside for much of the way by the others riding against her well. She didn't have the punch on the last part of the turn to go outside and have the clear run. She was simply beat and is another victim of the reputation induced phenomenon.

This is extremely harsh. She barely had any room to run and the turf course was a bog. I'd still take her against any turf filly/mare in the country. Watch the race again. Dynamic Holiday completely shut her out and by the time she had space, Hungry Island had the jump on her.

[hockey2315]

She wasn't winning either way. . . I don't think she liked the turf condition.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is extremely harsh. She barely had any room to run and the turf course was a bog. I'd still take her against any turf filly/mare in the country. Watch the race again. Dynamic Holiday completely shut her out and by the time she had space, Hungry Island had the jump on her.

I understand she was boxed much of the race but I honestly don't think it would have mattered. I would attribute her loss to a combination of the boggy going, better field (which was not talked about enough) and the trip, which wasn't perfect, but ultimately I don't feel the key variable.

I'm also not saying it was a career breaker. People were handing out the trophy and $2 win tickets when the field was drawn on Thursday. She is certainly capable of bouncing back and doing great things, and I hope she does... the connections are very easy to root for.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I understand she was boxed much of the race but I honestly don't think it would have mattered. I would attribute her loss to a combination of the boggy going, better field (which was not talked about enough) and the trip, which wasn't perfect, but ultimately I don't feel the key variable.

I'm also not saying it was a career breaker. People were handing out the trophy and $2 win tickets when the field was drawn on Thursday. She is certainly capable of bouncing back and doing great things, and I hope she does... the connections are very easy to root for.

Of course it's not a career breaker. She's been brilliant in just about every race she's run and is still the top three-year-old turf filly in the country.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What was so bad about it? I don't think the ride made much of a difference. She was kept inside for much of the way by the others riding against her well. She didn't have the punch on the last part of the turn to go outside and have the clear run. She was simply beat and is another victim of the reputation induced phenomenon.

I might be wrong, but yes the horse really never looked comfortable and it seemed like Lezcano was unsure on what to do with her, and it looked like when it came time to ask her to run he panicked and just dropped her down to the inside hoping for something out of her. But all in all, the ride really didnt matter I suppose she just wasnt good today. I just wish we had any kind of turfer that the Euros would be scared of, I thought she would of been it.

[GPK]

I understand that not all races are "fairly run", but on a fairly run race, Winter Memories has zero problem at all with Hungry Island. A trained chimp could also see that Ramon absolutely made sure that Winter Memories was not gonna have an easy time of it today.

Oh well, I'm in the same camp as Joey, I will take her against any turf filly/mare in the country.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by GPK

I understand that not all races are "fairly run", but on a fairly run race, Winter Memories has zero problem at all with Hungry Island. A trained chimp could also see that Ramon absolutely made sure that Winter Memories was not gonna have an easy time of it today.

Oh well, I'm in the same camp as Joey, I will take her against any turf filly/mare in the country.

We can only hope that the people who think she's over-rated bet with both fists next time she runs.