We're Doomed, He Hasn't a Clue

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, what we need are people who are willing to put themselves on the line, and perhaps not get re-elected, in order to fix the problems. what they also need to understand is that for every person saying 'i won't vote for you if you do...' there are others who say 'i won't vote for you if you don't....'



honestly, the more i think about it, the more i think the scenario could pan out. dems say absolutely no changes to ss/medicare. reps say absolutely no to taxes. so, get each to budge just a little on those two things; it would work wonders for us both now and in future. make them both give a bit on what they like most. then, both sides have their base pissed off at them-but also pissed at the other side at the same time! a win/win/win for everyone!!

Perhaps a basic math class for all involved too. Not new math but actual math where the answer is important too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Perhaps a basic math class for all involved too. Not new math but actual math where the answer is important too.

like mark pryor told bill maher in religulous, you don't have to pass an iq test to be a senator.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dino

I have wanted a flat tax for years but we will never have one because we have too many leaches that don't want to pay any taxes and live off the middle class and rich.
If that bum Obama ever voted for a flat tax he would lose 3/4 of the people that voted for him because all of a sudden they would have to contribute something and that sure as hell would never happen.

LOL - a flat tax has been part of the progressive platform for years.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I have no hatred for this President (no more than any before him any way). This gov't is a complete disaster and needs a square one approach.

The first thing to do would be to aggressively get all the corporate money out of elections. All the GOP, and half the Dems, are simply wholly-owned corporate subsidiaries.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - a flat tax has been part of the progressive platform for years.

neither party really embraces it, but it's more of a conservative platform than progressive. Dick Armey (dead republican) was the guy who tried to push it through congress.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The first thing to do would be to aggressively get all the corporate money out of elections. All the GOP, and half the Dems, are simply wholly-owned corporate subsidiaries.

really? only half the dems? insert head into sand.

even Obama is a wholly-owned corporate subsidiary.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

neither party really embraces it, but it's more of a conservative platform than progressive. Dick Armey (dead republican) was the guy who tried to push it through congress.

They switch back and forth. Jim DeMint fully supported and recommended Obamacare just a few years ago, recommending that Romney's healthcare plan be made national, it was "so good"

Today Romney announced he thinks that corporations are people. Jeebus, save us from these empty heads and give us back our democracy.

"Corporations are people, my friend" (which makes total sense, except for that dang Citizen's United supreme court ruling) - video with heckling, here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_924426.html

[Antitrust32]

I work for a corporation that is made up of over 8,000 americans.

Yes, corporations are people.

[Antitrust32]

"Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

here's the actual quote instead of a cherry picked line. what doesnt make sense?

[Antitrust32]

If dems are going to hang on that paragraph to beat Romney, they have huge problems.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

"Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

here's the actual quote instead of a cherry picked line. what doesnt make sense?

Sigh ... as I said, related to the Citzen's United ruling. Completely ****ing tone deaf to the Citizens United ruling. Especially as just this week it was discovered Romeny had received millions in donations from several shell corporations, corporations created only to donate to Romney under PAC rules, then dissolved. That's what hangs Romney, and why the hecklers were so angry.

Here, today, op-ed in Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/Boston/politic...CdN/index.html

WASHINGTON --Two non-partisan campaign-finance watchdogs today filed additional complaints with the Federal Election Commission and US attorney general about contributions made by obscure companies to a political action committee supporting Mitt Romney.

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The Campaign Legal Center and Democracy 21 had lodged complaints last week about a $1 million contribution to the committee from a company called W Spann, whose owner was not listed on campaign or corporate records.

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The new complaints allege that $2 million worth of contributions from two other companies – Utah-based F8 LLC and Eli Publishing -- also may have violated federal campaign finance law. Their owners’ names also were not listed on campaign finance reports, and the compaints suggest they also may be shell companies used solely to make the contributions.

[joeydb]

Still no clue - still talking about doing more road work. Guess who pays for that? Taxpayers. It never ends with this guy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Still no clue - still talking about doing more road work. Guess who pays for that? Taxpayers. It never ends with this guy.

I'd rather spend tax money on road work in America and hire Americans to do it than 80% of the other crap they spend it on... especially all the money we give other countries.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'd rather spend tax money on road work in America and hire Americans to do it than 80% of the other crap they spend it on... especially all the money we give other countries.

Well, hell yeah, if they can eliminate foreign aid, contributions to the U.N., World Bank, and International Money Fund and fix the roads instead - that's a win win.

If that's what he means (I doubt it) I'll support him on that. I think he meant to increase taxes with this as a pretext, and keep sending money out of the country where it does us no good.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ... as I said, related to the Citzen's United ruling. Completely ****ing tone deaf to the Citizens United ruling. Especially as just this week it was discovered Romeny had received millions in donations from several shell corporations, corporations created only to donate to Romney under PAC rules, then dissolved. That's what hangs Romney, and why the hecklers were so angry.

Here, today, op-ed in Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/Boston/politic...CdN/index.html

Like naming the CEO of one of the worlds largest and most profitable companies to your personal team? The one company in the top 10 that pays zero taxes, coincidence?