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[horseofcourse]

And I know what his numbers were Cannon, and I wish he were doing those numbers this year. He's not. I mean I could go back and list Hank Aaron's stats in his prime but he ain't gonna hit like that today...he's closing in on 80. Grady's hitting .234 with a .301 OBP, that's flat bad no matter how you slice it. clyde was never a big fan, but I just want the 2004-2008 Grady you listed, he ain't here. His OBP is below the famous Kearns we make fun of and Jack Hannahan who is a tremendous defensive third baseman who eventually got benched for his poor offense. He's got only 17 walks in 231 at bats, that is the big problem, he's swinging at everything and trying to pull everything. He was a 100 walk guy, what's that 17 gonna multiply into?? not nothing close to 100. He has struck out 75 times in those 231 at bats. That would be on pace to way more than the 150 he used to pile up in full seasons, he's way above even his previous high pace.

I liked him a lot, but no matter if you like him or not, he's not the .270 AVG, .370 OBP, 30 HR, 35 SB, 100 walk, 150 K Grady nor anything even close to it this year. You listing his old stats simply pretty much proves our point is all it is doing. If he's not running at will, stealing bases, diving all over the outfield to make up for his poor routes and baby girl throwing arm, what good is he?? He's Ron Kittle this year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

And I know what his numbers were Cannon, and I wish he were doing those numbers this year. He's not. I mean I could go back and list Hank Aaron's stats in his prime but he ain't gonna hit like that today...he's closing in on 80. Grady's hitting .234 with a .301 OBP, that's flat bad no matter how you slice it. clyde was never a big fan, but I just want the 2004-2008 Grady you listed, he ain't here. His OBP is below the famous Kearns we make fun of and Jack Hannahan who is a tremendous defensive third baseman who eventually got benched for his poor offense. He's got only 17 walks in 231 at bats, that is the big problem, he's swinging at everything and trying to pull everything. He was a 100 walk guy, what's that 17 gonna multiply into?? not nothing close to 100. He has struck out 75 times in those 231 at bats. That would be on pace to way more than the 150 he used to pile up in full seasons, he's way above even his previous high pace.

I liked him a lot, but no matter if you like him or not, he's not the .270 AVG, .370 OBP, 30 HR, 35 SB, 100 walk, 150 K Grady nor anything even close to it this year. You listing his old stats simply pretty much proves our point is all it is doing. If he's not running at will, stealing bases, diving all over the outfield to make up for his poor routes and baby girl throwing arm, what good is he?? He's Ron Kittle this year.

I think you missed the point.
He is obviously not the same player and maybe he never will be. But the idea that he was morphing into a different type of player was not backed up by stats. The idea of Clydes that this was some leadoff, slap hitter who became enamored with HR's isn't backed up by facts. As the evidence shows he struck out less the year he hit more HR's. As you know as players get deeper into their 20's they generally hit for more power naturally. Clyde has a mentally deficient bias against anyone with any real talent because as a hard core Clevelander he desires losing.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think you missed the point.
He is obviously not the same player and maybe he never will be. But the idea that he was morphing into a different type of player was not backed up by stats. The idea of Clydes that this was some leadoff, slap hitter who became enamored with HR's isn't backed up by facts. As the evidence shows he struck out less the year he hit more HR's. As you know as players get deeper into their 20's they generally hit for more power naturally. Clyde has a mentally deficient bias against anyone with any real talent because as a hard core Clevelander he desires losing.

You are a stat rat..I am a realist.



You are also fat and are beginning to sound like the pig FailyahFailyah.

I'm disgusted with you and your tripe.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think you missed the point.
He is obviously not the same player and maybe he never will be. But the idea that he was morphing into a different type of player was not backed up by stats. The idea of Clydes that this was some leadoff, slap hitter who became enamored with HR's isn't backed up by facts. As the evidence shows he struck out less the year he hit more HR's. As you know as players get deeper into their 20's they generally hit for more power naturally. Clyde has a mentally deficient bias against anyone with any real talent because as a hard core Clevelander he desires losing.

Sizeless gives us hour very best chance at this.

[clyde]

Peanut Shell..you are out of your league here.Your stat ridden posts are vomit inducing.



Do you fucl< girls with stats as well?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by clyde

Peanut Shell..you are out of your league here.Your stat ridden posts are vomit inducing.



Do you fucl< girls with stats as well?

You'd be impressed with those numbers

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by clyde

Sizeless gives us hour very best chance at this.

You are dead in the water anyway.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think you missed the point.
He is obviously not the same player and maybe he never will be. But the idea that he was morphing into a different type of player was not backed up by stats. The idea of Clydes that this was some leadoff, slap hitter who became enamored with HR's isn't backed up by facts. As the evidence shows he struck out less the year he hit more HR's. As you know as players get deeper into their 20's they generally hit for more power naturally. Clyde has a mentally deficient bias against anyone with any real talent because as a hard core Clevelander he desires losing.

What you have said is ok...but that is where you are way, way off base. I think his problem is he is striking out way, way more. The "evidence" is crystal clear in that case. 75 Ks in 231 at bats....that's 150 Ks in 462 at bats, never at any point in his career has he ever struck out at the pace he is K'ing at this year. No, he was never a slap hitter, always hit 20 plus in full time action...but his K frequency is astronomically up and his BB rate astronomically down. From the few games I've been able to see, he's trying to pull more frequently this year...that could be a result of his surgery and fear as he can't get to second any more unless he doubles. IF he were playing a full season this year, he'd have 200 strikeouts and 50 walks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What you have said is ok...but that is where you are way, way off base. I think his problem is he is striking out way, way more. The "evidence" is crystal clear in that case. 75 Ks in 231 at bats....that's 150 Ks in 462 at bats, never at any point in his career has he ever struck out at the pace he is K'ing at this year. No, he was never a slap hitter, always hit 20 plus in full time action...but his K frequency is astronomically up and his BB rate astronomically down. From the few games I've been able to see, he's trying to pull more frequently this year...that could be a result of his surgery and fear as he can't get to second any more unless he doubles.

No doubt that he is having a tough time. You have to assume that is because of the injury plus the lost time. There are very few guys who lost close to 2 years that jumped right back to where they were right away. He is really just a shell of himself (shut up clyde) now. But they are paying him a lot of money, need the power in the lineup and what is their other option? They have a DH, so sizemore can't play there and they are paying him too much not to play. Bring up the slap hitter at AAA so he can hit .250 with no power?

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No doubt that he is having a tough time. You have to assume that is because of the injury plus the lost time. There are very few guys who lost close to 2 years that jumped right back to where they were right away. He is really just a shell of himself (shut up clyde) now. But they are paying him a lot of money, need the power in the lineup and what is their other option? They have a DH, so sizemore can't play there and they are paying him too much not to play. Bring up the slap hitter at AAA so he can hit .250 with no power?

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What you have said is ok...but that is where you are way, way off base. I think his problem is he is striking out way, way more. The "evidence" is crystal clear in that case. 75 Ks in 231 at bats....that's 150 Ks in 462 at bats, never at any point in his career has he ever struck out at the pace he is K'ing at this year. No, he was never a slap hitter, always hit 20 plus in full time action...but his K frequency is astronomically up and his BB rate astronomically down. From the few games I've been able to see, he's trying to pull more frequently this year...that could be a result of his surgery and fear as he can't get to second any more unless he doubles. IF he were playing a full season this year, he'd have 200 strikeouts and 50 walks.

Nice work,Lou.




You're killing him with his own gun.

[horseofcourse]

His strengths were he hit for power, he got on base a lot and he could run down fly balls. His weaknesses were he threw like a girl, didn't make good contact. His only strength left is hitting for power. He doesn't get on base at all any more and he makes even less contact, and he is a much worse fielder. Even when he was really good fielding he was a bit overrated as his arm was horrendous. He's a minus player right now. He's simply better than Kearns, Duncan and Buck which isn't saying a whole lot.

In the end I want him to play well....he played much better his first 20 games back and the team ketp winning, what is evident as he piles up more and more at bats, he's not improving so I'm not sure how much you can blame on the injury any longer.

[horseofcourse]

I have more confidence Exhausto turns it around than Grady but it's low amount in both of them.

[horseofcourse]

I've seen Jean Gomez before, guy isn't any good. Not even better than Talbots. Huff and Exhausto in the DH Monday, it's getting ugly fast. Still in first on July 18th by pct points....that could end up being the last day!! I've been saying this for over a month. How bad are the Tiggers and White Sox that they can't put us away?? IS everyone waiting for the Twinkies??
(Grady hurt his knee again running out a double in the 1st inning, maybe Cannon has something!!! and we'll get the AAA slap hitter, more likely additional Urns.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

His strengths were he hit for power, he got on base a lot and he could run down fly balls. His weaknesses were he threw like a girl, didn't make good contact. His only strength left is hitting for power. He doesn't get on base at all any more and he makes even less contact, and he is a much worse fielder. Even when he was really good fielding he was a bit overrated as his arm was horrendous. He's a minus player right now. He's simply better than Kearns, Duncan and Buck which isn't saying a whole lot.

In the end I want him to play well....he played much better his first 20 games back and the team ketp winning, what is evident as he piles up more and more at bats, he's not improving so I'm not sure how much you can blame on the injury any longer.

As he piles up at bats the knee is probably getting worse. The deal with microfracture surgery is that the recovery rates are wildly different. Some guys like Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber never get better. It took Jason Kidd 2 years to get back to normal and even then his speed was diminished.

[horseofcourse]

Grady back on the DL for the 2nd time with his other knee this year. So it goes. Slap hitting AAA center fielder time for real now! He's been able to play with their two AAA pitchers the last two days so he's right at home.

[slotdirt]

The Tigers won't catch the Indians because their pitching stinks and they have a manager who insists on having a guy with a .318 OBP that led the league in strikouts last season bat leadoff.