i thought cutting was the goal?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dell said, "Obama made it very clear today he is not into cutting anything".
"I did [watch the press conference] that's how I know instead of proposing cuts he gave excuses why we can't."

Except that within the first three minutes, Obama called for cuts to the discretionary budget, defense spending, and alterations to Medicare, for a 10-year plan of savings.

then why was the house version of the appropriations bill, which is higher than fiscal '11, 9 billion LESS than obama's request?? how is he in favor of cutting, if his was higher then theirs, which is almost 3% higher than last years?? that doesn't make sense.
but then, if you're happy with someone who is trying to put the kibosh on something he is supposedly in favor of (dadt) then i guess he doesn't have to make any sense at all where you're concerned.
as for spending elsewhere, one of his first moves was to increase budgets across the board in government agencies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

then why was the house version of the appropriations bill, which is higher than fiscal '11, 9 billion LESS than obama's request??

We are talking about what Obama said at his press conference today. Not previous Republican budget proposals coming out of the House. Obama has nothing to do with creating the opposing party's appropriations bills.

but then, if you're happy with someone who is trying to put the kibosh on something he is supposedly in favor of (dadt) then i guess he doesn't have to make any sense at all where you're concerned.

Huh? Excuse me? Sense? You are trying to compare what Obama said today to a previous GOP appropriations bill! That's beyond absurd.

I'm not as black and white as you appear to be. I said I was happy with Obama, and yes, indeed, I am. Will definitely vote for him again 2012 at this point. I have also clearly said here previously that I am not happy with everything he's done, including some of the DADT. But DADT is passed, isn't it? That's the first step to implementation. Any chance of that under McCain-Palin? Never in a million years.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

We are talking about what Obama said at his press conference today. Not previous Republican budget proposals coming out of the House. Obama has nothing to do with creating the opposing party's appropriations bills.



Huh? Excuse me? Sense? You are trying to compare what Obama said today to a previous GOP appropriations bill! That's beyond absurd.

I'm not as black and white as you appear to be. I said I was happy with Obama, and yes, indeed, I am. Will definitely vote for him again 2012 at this point. I have also clearly said here previously that I am not happy with everything he's done, including some of the DADT. But DADT is passed, isn't it? That's the first step to implementation. Any chance of that under McCain-Palin? Never in a million years.

when i said about kiboshing your own stuff, i was talking about him and his admin asking the judge to back off on dadt-something he's supposed to be for getting rid of.
and it's funny you think i'm 'black and white' when i'm anything but. as for what came out of the house, i posted the link just a few days ago, along with the vote count, and that the spending bill is said to be lower than what obama asked for. that's why i question it when he keeps saying he's for cuts, but his actions don't really show that. and it's not as though all of this just came out of the blue-which is why i know it's just more game-playing now, and both parties trying to score points, while trying to show how haaard they're all working-it's all just a show.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

when i said about kiboshing your own stuff, i was talking about him and his admin asking the judge to back off on dadt-something he's supposed to be for getting rid of.

Yes, I understood that. I am not happy with that, as I've said before.

i know it's just more game-playing now, and both parties trying to score points, while trying to show how haaard they're all working-it's all just a show

I agree, all sides play alot of games.

I am, however, fed up with the game the Tea Party House caucus is playing with the debt ceiling, blanketly saying "no" (although some members may be waivering over into logic and responsibility today)

The Treasury Department is now using the final extraordinary measure available to the agency to delay the need to default, the department announced on Friday.

The government reached its debt limit on May 16, but it has taken measures since then to keep the Treasury under its statutory debt limit as lawmakers work on a deal to raise the debt ceiling in exchange for major spending cuts. The government is expected to exhaust those measures on Aug. 2.

“Today, as previously announced, the Treasury Department will suspend reinvestment of the Exchange Stabilization Fund, the last of the measures available to keep the nation under the statutory debt limit," Jeffrey Goldstein, under-secretary for Domestic Finance, said in a statement.

"In order to prevent a default on the nation’s obligations, Congress must enact a timely increase of the debt ceiling.”

Here are the other measures the Treasury has taken so far, according to the agency:

Those measures, in order taken, are (1) suspending issuance of State and Local Government Series (SLGS) Treasury securities; (2) declaring a “debt issuance suspension period” of the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund (CSRDF); and (3) suspending reinvestment of the Government Securities Investment Fund (G Fund).

[Danzig]

those tea partiers are something else-i wonder how long they'll be around.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

those tea partiers are something else-i wonder how long they'll be around.

Did you see King, Gohmert and Bachmann hold a press conference yesterday saying that the Treasury, the President and Boehner are just lying to the country about the debt ceiling?

It's all just our imagination, you know!

And Bachmann's husband today made a statement that he never called gays "barbarians" on that tape of him talking. That the tape was doctored.

Just found this interesting analysis (long) on the Tea Party compared to the Republican Party. They are about 1/3 of those identifying as GOP

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_899901.html

[Danzig]

i dont watch much tv at all, certainly not a press conference with that twit! i get most of my info reading online on various sites,wsj, cnn, msnbc, slate, time, etc