Women's World Cup

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

and team wins??? thats the only thing that matters in baseball. You want your team to win when your ace is up there. its the only thing that matters to being an ace, and to playing baseball in general.

Yes, it is impressive and meaningful that the Tigers and Phillies are a combined 19-1 in their horses last 10 starts.

Team wins are meaningless in determining whether a pitcher pitched well or not. I don't see any other way around that. Verlander went eight innings and gave up one ER two weeks ago and lost because Dan Haren went nine innings and gave up zero. Does that mean Verlander didn't pitch well in that start? Of course not.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Team wins are meaningless in determining whether a pitcher pitched well or not. I don't see any other way around that. Verlander went eight innings and gave up one ER two weeks ago and lost because Dan Haren went nine innings and gave up zero. Does that mean Verlander didn't pitch well in that start? Of course not.

no but,

W L W W W W W W W W

and

W W W W W W W W W W

indicate some damn good pitching... especially when you look at the low scores next to the W.

Verlander and Halladay have been almost mirror images of each other this year. the fact that Halladay gives up one more run per THREE starts doesnt change that, and neither does the fact that Halladays SO / BB ratio is close to double compared to Verlander.