Is it just me or is Godolphin winning everything

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well his Travers was awesome as was his BCC. I hear he had a breathing problem in the JCGC and tend to believe it after his BCC. I thinkhis BCC performance would have won 85% of BCC's ever run. And I think that they set a campaign designed for HOY. Melnyk has too much cash to race one like that who isn't right.

85%??...Wow...doubt it...he wasn't even close to the best of his generation..Afleet Alex would have urinated on him (excuse my cajun)..he blossomed at year's end and finished nicely, but I don't give him that much credit..

I know Discreet Cat and Bernardini are more talented than Flower Alley....we'll see

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

85%??...Wow...doubt it...he wasn't even close to the best of his generation..Afleet Alex would have urinated on him (excuse my cajun)..he blossomed at year's end and finished nicely, but I don't give him that much credit..

I know Discreet Cat and Bernardini are more talented than Flower Alley....we'll see

I'd actually like to see Discreet Cat run more than one every 6 months, but thats just a personal perference.

[brockguy]

demi defo knows his stuff, gets coolmore on occasions multiple champs a year at decent prices, better than ferguson at his job. add to that, godolphin like to open their checkbook every year and try to purchase horses in training after good or average seasons. coolmore rarely do but are more successful at that too.

Originally Posted by brockguy

demi defo knows his stuff, gets coolmore on occasions multiple champs a year at decent prices, better than ferguson at his job. add to that, godolphin like to open their checkbook every year and try to purchase horses in training after good or average seasons. coolmore rarely do but are more successful at that too.

Demi has been told to me by several people with a good eye themselves to be the most amazing judge of horseflesh alive, and maybe ever.

[blackthroatedwind]

Doesn't the Godolphin feud with Coolmore stem from what they perceive to be questionable business ethics involving the sales? Perhaps it also has to do with their aggressive breeding of their top stallions to in excess of 250 mares worldwide.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Doesn't the Godolphin feud with Coolmore stem from what they perceive to be questionable business ethics involving the sales? Perhaps it also has to do with their aggressive breeding of their top stallions to in excess of 250 mares worldwide.

Yes it does, and I know for a fact that they are correct (without me getting further into it)...while Demi is a master horse evaluator, he is NOT a saint...

I know for a fact that The Green Monkey probably cost Coolmore only about half of that auction price...I'll leave it at that..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I know for a fact that The Green Monkey probably cost Coolmore only about half of that auction price...I'll leave it at that..

I would be more careful about what I describe as a " fact ", and I think the actual price was more like 60-70%, but we're on the same page.

[brockguy]

godolphin are upset that coolmore doesnt support their stallions (i.e, they dont buy their offspring) so godolphin did the same to coolmore. ironic considering their best horse last year was by a coolmore stallion!

Originally Posted by brockguy

godolphin are upset that coolmore doesnt support their stallions (i.e, they dont buy their offspring) so godolphin did the same to coolmore. ironic considering their best horse last year was by a coolmore stallion!

I'm guessing you're referring to Shamardal..yep, Giant's Causeway colt..

Originally Posted by oracle80

Demi has been told to me by several people with a good eye themselves to be the most amazing judge of horseflesh alive, and maybe ever.

I can't argue that...

Originally Posted by oracle80

I'd actually like to see Discreet Cat run more than one every 6 months, but thats just a personal perference.

Me too, but that means that he would be running more regularly than Flower Alley has this year, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Me too, but that means that he would be running more regularly than Flower Alley has this year, wouldn't it?

He raced a lot last year. Like i said, in heads up match gimme pletcher agaisnt suroor at 1-9. I'll lay it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

85%??...Wow...doubt it...he wasn't even close to the best of his generation..Afleet Alex would have urinated on him (excuse my cajun)..he blossomed at year's end and finished nicely, but I don't give him that much credit..

I know Discreet Cat and Bernardini are more talented than Flower Alley....we'll see

Based on speed figures, and since Afleet Alex didn't race after the Belmont that is all we have, it is far from clear that Afleet Alex was better than the Flower Alley we saw in Saratoga and the BC. While I tend to agree that had he stayed healthy, and logically progressed, Afleet Alex would have been the better of the two, but at best that margin would have been minimal.

Don't even bother attempting to use the Derby as an example, as not only did Flower Alley improve immensely off his Derby performance, he also ran exceptionally well in that race. He was forced to make a suicidal premature move when Chavez sent him into a drive on the backstretch and then got caught behind the tiring Spanish Chesnut. His performance was clearly an indication of good things to come.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Based on speed figures, and since Afleet Alex didn't race after the Belmont that is all we have, it is far from clear that Afleet Alex was better than the Flower Alley we saw in Saratoga and the BC. While I tend to agree that had he stayed healthy, and logically progressed, Afleet Alex would have been the better of the two, but at best that margin would have been minimal.

Don't even bother attempting to use the Derby as an example, as not only did Flower Alley improve immensely off his Derby performance, he also ran exceptionally well in that race. He was forced to make a suicidal premature move when Chavez sent him into a drive on the backstretch and then got caught behind the tiring Spanish Chesnut. His performance was clearly an indication of good things to come.

Afleet Alex > Flower Alley .........period

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Afleet Alex > Flower Alley .........period

There's a sound argument.

I'm guessing you never tried that one on the debate team.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Based on speed figures, and since Afleet Alex didn't race after the Belmont that is all we have, it is far from clear that Afleet Alex was better than the Flower Alley we saw in Saratoga and the BC. While I tend to agree that had he stayed healthy, and logically progressed, Afleet Alex would have been the better of the two, but at best that margin would have been minimal.

Don't even bother attempting to use the Derby as an example, as not only did Flower Alley improve immensely off his Derby performance, he also ran exceptionally well in that race. He was forced to make a suicidal premature move when Chavez sent him into a drive on the backstretch and then got caught behind the tiring Spanish Chesnut. His performance was clearly an indication of good things to come.

Flower Alley was never the horse Afleet Alex was, and he will never be. Afleet Alex was going to be one of the best had he not been injured. We should be very thankful that we got to see flashes of his greatness on the track. This horse had the most impressive/insane late kick that I have ever seen in horse racing. His move in the Preakness before the incident with Scrappy T, and in the Belmont Stakes were legendary. I cannot remember a horse, and I don't think we will see one in a long time, that had that much of an intense late kick. It was as if he was shot out of a cannon. He could fly. I miss my Alex.

Afleet Alex-BCC champ 2005 by open lengths had he not been injured

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Flower Alley was never the horse Afleet Alex was, and he will never be. Afleet Alex was going to be one of the best had he not been injured. We should be very thankful that we got to see flashes of his greatness on the track. This horse had the most impressive/insane late kick that I have ever seen in horse racing. His move in the Preakness before the incident with Scrappy T, and in the Belmont Stakes were legendary. I cannot remember a horse, and I don't think we will see one in a long time, that had that much of an intense late kick. It was as if he was shot out of a cannon. He could fly. I miss my Alex.

Afleet Alex-BCC champ 2005 by open lengths had he not been injured

What can I say, thats my girl....You couldn't have said it better..Afleet Alex had one of the best 1/2 - 3/8 of a mile kicks that I've ever seen...insane turn of foot from the far turn to the wire...His problems were chronic lung infections...he won the Belmont and Arky Derby with small lung infections and lost the Mountain Valley with a severe lung infection and lost the Derby with a significant lung infection...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

What can I say, thats my girl....You couldn't have said it better..Afleet Alex had one of the best 1/2 - 3/8 of a mile kicks that I've ever seen...insane turn of foot from the far turn to the wire...His problems were chronic lung infections...he won the Belmont and Arky Derby with small lung infections and lost the Mountain Valley with a severe lung infection and lost the Derby with a significant lung infection...

I didn't know that about him. Funny Cide had a similar problem in the beginning stages of his career. I knew Alex had a lung infection in the Rebel, but I didn't know that it was a chronic problem. Alex is honestly my favorite horse of all time. I loved the horse after his Mountain Valley performance, but was sold on him when he won the Ark. His Preakness was amazing! He should have fallen, but he didn't. Simply amazing! It was one of the greatest feats in horse racing that I have ever seen.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I didn't know that about him. Funny Cide had a similar problem in the beginning stages of his career. I knew Alex had a lung infection in the Rebel, but I didn't know that it was a chronic problem. Alex is honestly my favorite horse of all time. I loved the horse after his Mountain Valley performance, but was sold on him when he won the Ark. His Preakness was amazing! He should have fallen, but he didn't. Simply amazing! It was one of the greatest feats in horse racing that I have ever seen.

By bad, I meant Rebel not Mountain Valley he had a severe lung infection....I misstated that..sorry

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

By bad, I meant Rebel not Mountain Valley he had a severe lung infection....I misstated that..sorry

That is okay. Now we are even