Eight myths to chill an old-school Republican soul

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Democrats aren't more liberal than Republicans?

No. Obama is our most conservative president in our history. By an astronomical margin. Health care reform was a dream for conservatives as well as the health insurance industry. he has done nothing liberal whatsoever, I guess you could possible cite don't ask don't tell, but that has no meaning whatsoever. Wall Street cronies run his life and policies. clinton's conservative policies led the way to destruction as well--NAFTA, gutting Glass-Steagall etc. No, the thought that "important" democrats are more liberal is one of the biggest fallacies on the planet. Obama has actually enhanced all the police state policies enacted by GW. He's more conservative than our last president. Anything "liberal" is a guise to get elected. Once there it's business as usual serving the wealthy and wall street as both of our last "democratic" presidents have done with bells on. Elections are simply theater.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Obama is our most conservative president in our history. By an astronomical margin.

I get frustrated with the guy too. His administration isn't nearly as liberal as I'd like it to be....but your statements here still strike me as completely ridiculous.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I get frustrated with the guy too. His administration isn't nearly as liberal as I'd like it to be....but your statements here still strike me as completely ridiculous.

You just have to look at the facts and what he's done as president. I watch zero cable news ever. I simply won't do it. I can guess what is on based on what I see people writing or if I youtube a clip of something but it astounds me that this president is accused of socialism. I have seen him on here bashed for the stimulus as he should be, but the facts would seem to indicate that the problem with the stimulus was that it was way, way too small and way, way too much of it was simply tax cuts. The health care reform was pure conservativism all the way 100 percent. Anything remotely liberal about it, it would have contained a public option or single payer. It contained none of those or anything remotely close. For this to be viewed as a "socialistic" government takeover of health care is incomprehsible to me and how anyone can even state that with any seriousness whatsoever is silly. In fact, health insurance "mandates" was always a republican staple in discussing health care reform and this is what was implemented. If Bernie Sanders had a shred of decency he would have voted it down and ended the sham that it is. He cowered as always talking the talk but not walking the walk as usual.

But no, 40 years ago, Obama is a far right of center republican well to the right of Richard Nixon. 30 years ago he's a centrist republican, 20 years ago he's a far right democrat, 10 years ago he's Joe Lieberman, today he's a socialist.

At some point, you would hope the extreme libertarian part of the republican party and the extreme liberal part of the democratic party would have enough overlap to overwhelm the current crap structure, but will not happen. citizen's united baby. That is game, set, match, that one.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

But no, 40 years ago, Obama is a far right of center republican well to the right of Richard Nixon. 30 years ago he's a centrist republican, 20 years ago he's a far right democrat, 10 years ago he's Joe Lieberman, today he's a socialist.

Don't agree exactly, but you're pretty damn close.

At some point, you would hope the extreme libertarian part of the republican party and the extreme liberal part of the democratic party would have enough overlap to overwhelm the current crap structure, but will not happen. citizen's united baby. That is game, set, match, that one.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You just have to look at the facts and what he's done as president. I watch zero cable news ever. I simply won't do it. I can guess what is on based on what I see people writing or if I youtube a clip of something but it astounds me that this president is accused of socialism. I have seen him on here bashed for the stimulus as he should be, but the facts would seem to indicate that the problem with the stimulus was that it was way, way too small and way, way too much of it was simply tax cuts. The health care reform was pure conservativism all the way 100 percent. Anything remotely liberal about it, it would have contained a public option or single payer. It contained none of those or anything remotely close. For this to be viewed as a "socialistic" government takeover of health care is incomprehsible to me and how anyone can even state that with any seriousness whatsoever is silly. In fact, health insurance "mandates" was always a republican staple in discussing health care reform and this is what was implemented. If Bernie Sanders had a shred of decency he would have voted it down and ended the sham that it is. He cowered as always talking the talk but not walking the walk as usual.

But no, 40 years ago, Obama is a far right of center republican well to the right of Richard Nixon. 30 years ago he's a centrist republican, 20 years ago he's a far right democrat, 10 years ago he's Joe Lieberman, today he's a socialist.

At some point, you would hope the extreme libertarian part of the republican party and the extreme liberal part of the democratic party would have enough overlap to overwhelm the current crap structure, but will not happen. citizen's united baby. That is game, set, match, that one.

Of course I agree that his administration isn't far left, but your statement that he's the "most conservative president in our history" is still completely absurd.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Of course I agree that his administration isn't far left, but your statement that he's the "most conservative president in our history" is still completely absurd.

I mostly just screw around on here. I'm guessing my insane ramblings present some truth though. Just randomly of course. Since Nixon, we've been getting more "conservative". What that word really means is of course a whole other issue. Same with "liberal".