WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Have you read all the accounts of the people that were there?

Yes, I have read every public statement they have put out. Have you?

Prosser has never denied he grabbed her by the neck. He only tried to blame her for it (as he blamed the other justices for making him swear and threaten them last time) Did you notice that?

If a subordinate of yours charged you at work, after an argument, would you try to use your hands or just belly bounce the charger.

Strange you say that. If a woman charged at you with her fists raised, the normal response is to grab her wrists. Not her neck

Nothing happening here but the Dems last ditch effort, using costly recall elections after a costly recount under the guise we can't afford the Governor's changes. The average tax paying badger sees through that like a freshly polished window.

I think the "average tax paying badger" will vote for recall.

How 'come the average tax paying badger doesn't see how Walker's budget is going to cost them money and raise your taxes? I don't think your window is as freshly polished as you imagine.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

How 'come the average tax paying badger doesn't see how Walker's budget is going to cost them money and raise your taxes? I don't think your window is as freshly polished as you imagine.

Because for example when a public worker is forced to pay for in part his healthcare and pension the "average tax paying badger" understands that saves money. When a needless recount is demanded over 7,000 votes and it changes by a few votes, that costs money. It's not rocket science.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because for example when a public worker is forced to pay for in part his healthcare and pension the "average tax paying badger" understands that saves money. When a needless recount is demanded over 7,000 votes and it changes by a few votes, that costs money. It's not rocket science.

I think you need to read the independent financial reviews of Walker's budget bill.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I have read every public statement they have put out. Have you?

Prosser has never denied he grabbed her by the neck. He only tried to blame her for it (as he blamed the other justices for making him swear and threaten them last time) Did you notice that?.

yes I have and did you notice she never has accused him of grabbing her neck NOR denied charging him!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

yes I have and did you notice she never has accused him of grabbing her neck NOR denied charging him!!!!

Wrong. She indeed publicly has accused him of grabbing her neck, and denied charging him. You know, those quotes she gave? Sunday? On the weekend? Because media demand was so high and the story went national right away?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wrong. She indeed publicly has accused him of grabbing her neck, and denied charging him. You know, those quotes she gave? Sunday? On the weekend? Because media demand was so high and the story went national right away?

you need to start reading again. The media outlets you read may report things that way but the statements to the Capital Police and the witnesses are much different. Actually it was said by Bradley that he did not choke her but he would have if another justice didn't pull me away from him. I can't wait to see you eat crow on this one.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you need to start reading again. The media outlets you read may report things that way but the statements to the Capital Police and the witnesses are much different. Actually it was said by Bradley that he did not choke her but he would have if another justice didn't pull me away from him. I can't wait to see you eat crow on this one.

ROFLMAO. Really? You expect us to believe that you have access to the statements from the Capital Police, huh? Because we all know those statements haven't been made public.

Or you are just repeating imagined crap made up and passed on by right wing blogs?

I'll go with the second - you are simply repeating imagined right wing blog crap that any of us can read on the internet - and read the public statements given Sunday by Prosser and Bradley, thanks.

You can stick to the right wing screeching spin machine about how Bradley threw her neck into Prosser's hands.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser has issued a denial of witness reports that he grabbed fellow justice Ann Walsh Bradley by the throat on June 13. The altercation reportedly erupted in Justice Bradley's chambers during a heated discussion of Governor Scott Walker's controversial budget bill, which curtails collective bargaining rights for public workers.

Prosser says that the allegations against him "will be proven false" after a "proper review of the matter and the facts surrounding it are made clear".

Justice Bradley has issued a statement to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel stating that "(t)he facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold". Anonymous sources have confirmed Bradley's account, but spoke on condition of anonymity based on the need to maintain professional relationships. Other sources loyal to Prosser say that Bradley charged him with her fists raised and he grabbed her by the throat in an effort to defend himself.

Bradley responded to that version of events in an interview, saying, "You can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin."

She has announced her intention to pursue a formal complaint against Prosser. "Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases. I'm confident the appropriate authorities will conduct a thorough investigation of this incident involving abusive behavior in the workplace."

Prosser has a history of violent outbursts of anger, particularly against women justices. Last year, in a heated exchange, he called Chief Justice Abrahamson "a bitch" and vowed to "destroy" her. Bradley was present for that exchange and says she thought of contacting law enforcement personnel at the time. In an interview from March of this year, she expressed her concerns about Prosser's anger issues, saying, "It's been going on for years off and on".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

ROFLMAO. Really? You expect us to believe that you have access to the statements from the Capital Police, huh?

Or you are just repeating imagined crap made up and passed on by right wing blogs?

Because we all know those statements haven't been made public.

I'll go with the second - imagined right wing blog crap - and read the public statements given Sunday by Prosser and Bradley, thanks.

You can stick to the right wing screeching spin machine about how Bradley threw her neck into Prosser's hands.

Put your money where your mouth is please. Here is some decent reading from the other side

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...tian-schneider

[wiphan]

Justice Ann Bradley should be playing for Manchester United with the kind of flop she had that day....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Put your money where your mouth is please. Here is some decent reading from the other side

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...tian-schneider

Yes, I have read stuff from "the other side".

This isn't an opinion issue, nor a political issue, nor a "problem caused by evil liberals trying to set up our good man Prosser" issue. It's a violence in the workplace issue, and an assault or simple battery against a judge issue.

Prosser has a known, self-admitted and verified history of verbal abuse in the workplace, and worse, blaming his admittedly wrong behaviour on being caused by those he abused.

Prosser doesn't get to start this incident from the position of being a good guy, due to his own previous behaviour at work. That's his very real problem. Not bad or imagined press.

The proof will be in if ethics charges or police charges are filed. We'll all just have to wait and see.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the "average tax paying badger" will vote for recall.

Good for you. I'm sure you have constant contact to the "average tax paying badger" in Kentucky.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Good for you. I'm sure you have constant contact to the "average tax paying badger" in Kentucky.

They sure seem to be doing better at the Dems recalling Republicans (100% success rate) than the Republicans are doing trying to recall Dems (failed at half of what they tried, barely got enough sigs for the rest).

Did you see what happened in Ohio? Their Republican governor forced through a union busting bill like Walker did. In Ohio, however, the public can demand such laws be put to public referendum before becoming law.

They needed 230,000 signatures or so. They got 1.3 million. They will vote on it this fall. The public will decide if the Ohio Republican union-busting law will actually be law, or not. I predict not.