Blind Luck Is Awesome; To be offered at KEE Nov. Sale

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'd love to hear which older males other than Tizway they'd have to be afraid of.

Morning Line, Rail Trip, and Friend or Foe would be a few.

[Indian Charlie]

All those Candy horses, for starters.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Morning Line, Rail Trip, and Friend or Foe would be a few.

Morning Line is largely unproven at two turns and Rail Trip has one big dirt race in two years. Friend or Foe has a lot of upside, but also hasn't run a ton of fast races.

I see no reason why those three, especially Havre de Grace, can't compete in open Grade 1's this year, just like I didn't see (before she got hurt) why R Heat Lightning couldn't compete against males.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Morning Line is largely unproven at two turns and Rail Trip has one big dirt race in two years. Friend or Foe has a lot of upside, but also hasn't run a ton of fast races.

I see no reason why those three, especially Havre de Grace, can't compete in open Grade 1's this year, just like I didn't see (before she got hurt) why R Heat Lightning couldn't compete against males.

Morning Line is largely unproven at two turns?

Joey, seriously, when you say nonsense like that, nothing you say can be taken seriously. The Friend or Foe comment shows a similar lack of knowledge.

The second paragraph is just more confirmation.

[miraja2]

If Giant Oak can defeat Morning Line going 9f, is it really that unrealistic to think that one of the fillies might have a shot of doing the same?
I think any of the three mentioned would have been extremely competitive in the Foster yesterday, and (sad as it is) I'm not sure there's much of a guarantee that the races later in the year will be a whole lot better.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by miraja2

If Giant Oak can defeat Morning Line going 9f, is it really that unrealistic to think that one of the fillies might have a shot of doing the same?
I think any of the three mentioned would have been extremely competitive in the Foster yesterday, and (sad as it is) I'm not sure there's much of a guarantee that the races later in the year will be a whole lot better.

Isn't it important when ridiculing Morning LIne for losing to Giant Oak to consider the dynamics of the race in question?

As bad as the Foster was, it was really only a race to see which horses Mike Watchmaker overrated the most on his Watchmaker Watch.

[randallscott35]

Criticize a Zito horse at your own peril on here Joe. You should know better....Dialed In just finished up and didn't even come back blowing.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't it important when ridiculing Morning LIne for losing to Giant Oak to consider the dynamics of the race in question?

As bad as the Foster was, it was really only a race to see which horses Mike Watchmaker overrated the most on his Watchmaker Watch.

Of course the dynamics are important, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't "ridiculing" Morning Line. I'm just not sure there are many older males running right now (him included) who you can count on to overcome unfavorable race dynamics to win a big race. If horses like Giant Oak and Pool Play can pick up the pieces and win big races against the top of this division, I'm not sure why the fillies can't.

Zenyatta was extremely competitive in her one try against the older male division last year, and I'm not convinced that she was much better than these three fillies or that this year's older male division is better than last year's.

[King Glorious]

Morning Line was awesome today at Monmouth. If I was the connections of Blind Luck or Havre de Grace or Awesome Maria, I'd surely be running away from any race that ML was being considered for. He's a world beater.

[Kasept]

Blind Luck, Havre de Grace will renew rivalry in Delaware Handicap
By David Grening

Trainer Jerry Hollendorfer on Sunday confirmed Blind Luck as a starter for Saturday’s $750,000 Delaware Handicap, renewing that filly’s rivalry with Havre de Grace. The two powerhouse fillies have met five previous times with Blind Luck winning the Delaware Oaks and the Alabama last year and Havre de Grace winning last year’s Fitz Dixon Cotillion and this year’s Azeri at Oaklawn Park. In last year’s Breeders’ Cup Ladies’ Classic, Blind Luck finished second and Havre de Grace was third, behind Unrivaled Belle.

Hollendorfer wanted to see the weight assignments before committing Blind Luck to the Del Cap. Blind Luck was assigned 122 pounds, two less than Havre de Grace, who got 124 from racing secretary Pat Pope. “I thought she should get some weight from Havre de Grace,’’ Hollendorfer said. “I wasn’t going to run if they put me at equal weights or gave me a pound. They gave us two pounds. We’re coming into her backyard.’’

Meanwhile, trainer Todd Pletcher said Sunday he is “leaning toward’’ running defending Delaware Handicap winner Life At Ten (115#) against those two on Saturday. Pletcher said he was pleased with Life At Ten’s five-furlong workout in 1:00.66 Sunday morning over the Belmont Park main track. Life At Ten worked in company with Belmont Stakes runner-up Stay Thirsty. “Obviously, it’s a very tough race, but she gets a little bit of a weight concession over a surface she’s won on before,’’ Pletcher said.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't it important when ridiculing Morning LIne for losing to Giant Oak to consider the dynamics of the race in question?

But that's his running style and it's what makes him vulnerable at two turns, no?

I just don't think the gap between the top males and top females is nearly as big as some do.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

But that's his running style and it's what makes him vulnerable at two turns, no?

I just don't think the chasm between the top males and top females is nearly as big as some do.

After having your manhood questioned like that in this thread you come out like the Jets in the AFC championship against Pitt....used up early....you were right in your initial assessment. Simply stick to it.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Morning Line is largely unproven at two turns and Rail Trip has one big dirt race in two years. Friend or Foe has a lot of upside, but also hasn't run a ton of fast races.

I see no reason why those three, especially Havre de Grace, can't compete in open Grade 1's this year, just like I didn't see (before she got hurt) why R Heat Lightning couldn't compete against males.

Rail Trip has only run in two dirt races and the layoff after the JCGC makes it pretty clear he wasn't 100% in that race. Morning Line won the Pennsylvania Derby and fought tooth and nail from start to finish in the Donn. Those were two good performances.

Awesome Maria mopped up on soft competition at Gulfstream and won a watered down race yesterday. Blind Luck is terrific but in many ways is still on the comeback trail this year. Those two plus Havre de Grace stepping up to face males in what is shaping up as a pretty deep race is a tall order.

I'll settle for Blind Luck and Havre de Grace running against each other at 10fs at Delaware on July 16.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Morning Line, Rail Trip, and Friend or Foe would be a few.

That's a good start.

Havre de Grace is probably pretty good, though she was hardly flattered by yesterday's results ( her competition in the Apple Blossom was none too impressive ), but being that she isn't even contesting the toughest races of her sex, why would people hypothesize about her beating the best males in the country ? Awesome Maria has been pretty good this year, but I think people need to take a step back and look at the field once Unrivaled Belle got injured and Absinthe Minded stopped on the turn. I'm not knocking her, as she's really good, but no sane person would consider her race yesterday a remote threat to the three you mentioned ( plus Tizway....or even Sydney's Candy ). As for Blind Luck....who wouldn't root for her? Her connections do everything racing fans dream owners would do with a good horse. She travels and ducks no horse. However, even their ambitious plans don't include running her against males where she can't realistically be competitive.

Bounding Basque beat Life's Magic in the Brooklyn.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Havre de Grace is probably pretty good, though she was hardly flattered by yesterday's results ( her competition in the Apple Blossom was none too impressive ), but being that she isn't even contesting the toughest races of her sex, why would people hypothesize about her beating the best males in the country ?

Maybe if you would read a little more, you'd know that she is "halfway to horse of the year" ....

http://www.horseracingnation.com/blo...f_the_Year_123

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Bounding Basque beat Life's Magic in the Brooklyn.

Is there supposed to be some kind of point?