Updating the Guerrero Numbers

Split Rock · #1 06-02-2011, 12:37 AM

The guy who mentioned PETA going after these trainers is not that far out of line. While PETA is litered with a bunch of nutcases, at least I know their bark has some bite.

Remember a few years back after the Eight Belles fiaso, the government was getting involved to clean up the sport? Man, did that disappear, didn't it? I also find it interesting that Larry Jones, who seems like a good guy but wins at far too high a percentage to be doing it legitimately, "retired" right about the time these investigations were going to get into full gear. I find it very interesting that he's returned to the sport after the "noise" has stopped. He kind of slithered back into the game without anyone really noticing. No one finds that coincidental?

Bottom line, almost all of the high percentage trainers are taking an edge. Dirtballs like this Guerrero pig is over the top. But there is no way that Baffert, etc etc aren't using something, as well. Otherwise, they'd be the greatest trainer of all time when they win at such a high percentage against those other trainers that are cheating.

Only one trainer we KNOW isn't cheating. Jack Van Berg.

Dahoss · #2 06-02-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

The guy who mentioned PETA going after these trainers is not that far out of line. While PETA is litered with a bunch of nutcases, at least I know their bark has some bite.

Remember a few years back after the Eight Belles fiaso, the government was getting involved to clean up the sport? Man, did that disappear, didn't it? I also find it interesting that Larry Jones, who seems like a good guy but wins at far too high a percentage to be doing it legitimately, "retired" right about the time these investigations were going to get into full gear. I find it very interesting that he's returned to the sport after the "noise" has stopped. He kind of slithered back into the game without anyone really noticing. No one finds that coincidental?

Bottom line, almost all of the high percentage trainers are taking an edge. Dirtballs like this Guerrero pig is over the top. But there is no way that Baffert, etc etc aren't using something, as well. Otherwise, they'd be the greatest trainer of all time when they win at such a high percentage against those other trainers that are cheating.

Only one trainer we KNOW isn't cheating. Jack Van Berg.

Yeah, Larry Jones retired, his wife took over and she still won with him calling the shots from the backround.

PETA isn't intelligent enough to make something like this work and they aren't interested in doing it....unless there is a lot of press in it for them.

MaTH716 · #3 06-02-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yeah, Larry Jones retired, his wife took over and she still won with him calling the shots from the backround.

PETA isn't intelligent enough to make something like this work and they aren't interested in doing it....unless there is a lot of press in it for them.

Bingo.
What makes you think that PETA wants to get involved with say Tuesday night racing at Mountaineer? No national focus, no media of any kind and so on. All PETA likes to do is pile on something when the media spotlight is on. Obviously Eight Belles is the best example in the bigest race of the year with the whole country watching. It was a perfect forum for those frauds. All that talk about Eight Belles on Derby Day. It's funny, I didn't hear a single mention from PETA about Chelokee breaking down in the Alysheba the day before. I guess not enough people were watching.

Keep them far away from the sport.

jms62 · #4 06-02-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Bingo.
What makes you think that PETA wants to get involved with say Tuesday night racing at Mountaineer? No national focus, no media of any kind and so on. All PETA likes to do is pile on something when the media spotlight is on. Obviously Eight Belles is the best example in the bigest race of the year with the whole country watching. It was a perfect forum for those frauds. All that talk about Eight Belles on Derby Day. It's funny, I didn't hear a single mention from PETA about Chelokee breaking down in the Alysheba the day before. I guess not enough people were watching.

Keep them far away from the sport.

PETA = Money Grubbing whores who support and fund Eco Terrorists

Cannon Shell · #5 06-02-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

The guy who mentioned PETA going after these trainers is not that far out of line. While PETA is litered with a bunch of nutcases, at least I know their bark has some bite.

Remember a few years back after the Eight Belles fiaso, the government was getting involved to clean up the sport? Man, did that disappear, didn't it? I also find it interesting that Larry Jones, who seems like a good guy but wins at far too high a percentage to be doing it legitimately, "retired" right about the time these investigations were going to get into full gear. I find it very interesting that he's returned to the sport after the "noise" has stopped. He kind of slithered back into the game without anyone really noticing. No one finds that coincidental?

Bottom line, almost all of the high percentage trainers are taking an edge. Dirtballs like this Guerrero pig is over the top. But there is no way that Baffert, etc etc aren't using something, as well. Otherwise, they'd be the greatest trainer of all time when they win at such a high percentage against those other trainers that are cheating.

Only one trainer we KNOW isn't cheating. Jack Van Berg.

Are you really this stupid? The "noise" has stopped? Did you miss the little bill introduced in Congress a few weeks back? Do you really think that Larry Jones took some time off to duck some supposed investigation?

While I don't doubt that there are those taking an edge, Guerrero is obvious, people like you who think they really "know" what is going on are usually completely off-base.

Cannon Shell · #6 06-02-2011, 04:50 AM

And the idea that Jack Van Berg is some lily white deity is laughable.

freddymo · #7 06-02-2011, 08:20 AM

Sounds like you would be in favor of the return of steriod use as would i in a perfect world. I have no clue why you dont try HARD to get the drug that JCG is using and I mean it? It's good for the horses and you cant get caught and even if you do whats the big deal?

Cannon Shell · #8 06-02-2011, 12:42 PM

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Sounds like you would be in favor of the return of steriod use as would i in a perfect world. I have no clue why you dont try HARD to get the drug that JCG is using and I mean it? It's good for the horses and you cant get caught and even if you do whats the big deal?

I keep asking him for the formula and but he says the directions are only in a language he and Lou Pena understand.

randallscott35 · #9 06-02-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And the idea that Jack Van Berg is some lily white deity is laughable.

give

Cannon Shell · #10 06-02-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

give

give what?

PatCummings · #11 06-02-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And the idea that Jack Van Berg is some lily white deity is laughable.

So how bout you Chuck?

freddymo · #12 06-02-2011, 08:47 AM

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So how bout you Chuck?

The only drug free operation is Godolphin

Cannon Shell · #13 06-02-2011, 12:43 PM

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So how bout you Chuck?

I'm just a shade off white in the deity department

Split Rock · #14 06-02-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you really this stupid? The "noise" has stopped? Did you miss the little bill introduced in Congress a few weeks back? Do you really think that Larry Jones took some time off to duck some supposed investigation?

While I don't doubt that there are those taking an edge, Guerrero is obvious, people like you who think they really "know" what is going on are usually completely off-base.

Am I really this stupid? Yes
Noise has stopped? Yes
See the bill introduced? No
Larry Jones time off to duck investigation? Yes
People like me being off base? I guess not everyone has the time or desire to read, write, sleep, sh%t, pi@s, think, dream and be horse racing. It's good to have people like yourself able to do that for us and set us straight.

MaTH716 · #15 06-02-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

Am I really this stupid? Yes
Noise has stopped? Yes
See the bill introduced? No
Larry Jones time off to duck investigation? Yes
People like me being off base? I guess not everyone has the time or desire to read, write, sleep, sh%t, pi@s, think, dream and be horse racing. It's good to have people like yourself able to do that for us and set us straight.

You do know that Cannon trains horses for a living?

AeWingnut · #16 06-02-2011, 12:28 PM

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You do know that Cannon trains horses for a living?

yeah but only for the circus

Cannon Shell · #17 06-02-2011, 12:58 PM

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You do know that Cannon trains horses for a living?

Actually it only seems like I do it for a living. Really as a trainer I lie all the time to my owners, rob them blind in concert with dirty vets and drug my horses into addiction. At least that is what the current job description seems to be at the Paulick Report and from various country club types like Co Campbell and bitter Barry white shoes

Heels1989 · #18 06-02-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually it only seems like I do it for a living. Really as a trainer I lie all the time to my owners, rob them blind in concert with dirty vets and drug my horses into addiction. At least that is what the current job description seems to be at the Paulick Report and from various country club types like Cock Campbell and bitter Barry white shoes

So I should expect you to tell me that Brad's Kitten is really a graded stakes horse who will win every start here on out.

Cannon Shell · #19 06-02-2011, 05:54 PM

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So I should expect you to tell me that Brad's Kitten is really a graded stakes horse who will win every start here on out.

Yeah we might supplement him to the Arc...once he is over his anti-inflammatory addiction

Cannon Shell · #20 06-02-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

Am I really this stupid? Yes
Noise has stopped? Yes
See the bill introduced? No
Larry Jones time off to duck investigation? Yes
People like me being off base? I guess not everyone has the time or desire to read, write, sleep, sh%t, pi@s, think, dream and be horse racing. It's good to have people like yourself able to do that for us and set us straight.

Funny that someone who thinks he has the scoop on everything pertaining to drugs in racehorses doesn't have the time to read that Congress has threatened to introduce a bill that will give them control over your supposed area of expertise.

Larry Jones has remained licensed therefore has always been under the jurisdiction of the various commissions that theoretically were going to investigate him. This is simply a made up story.

I do agree that you are stupid