NBA Playoffs

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He wasn't getting the support he needed in Cleveland, plus who wants to be in Cleveland anyway?

Really? There were 800 foot murals of him and sellouts every single game, oh you mean on the court perhaps...ok. That whole issue is probably debatable. I have no problem in the end with what he did, he wanted things much easier which is fine. That's not a crime at all. It simply says who he is. He's played well these playoffs. I can't dispute that.

Justin Masterson, Tony Sipp, Joshua Cribbs, Joe Haden, Jack Hannahan, Manny Acta, Michael Brantley, Travis Hafner, Colt McCoy, Asdrubal Cabrera, Fausto Carmona, Chris Perez, Vinnie Pestano, et al.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Really? There were 800 foot murals of him and sellouts every single game, oh you mean on the court perhaps...ok. That whole issue is probably debatable. I have no problem in the end with what he did, he wanted things much easier which is fine. That's not a crime at all. It simply says who he is. He's played well these playoffs. I can't dispute that.

Justin Masterson, Tony Sipp, Joshua Cribbs, Joe Haden, Jack Hannahan, Manny Acta, Michael Brantley, Travis Hafner, Colt McCoy, Asdrubal Cabrera, Fausto Carmona, Chris Perez, Vinnie Pestano, et al.

There is nothing debatable about it.

Cute list though.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

There is nothing debatable about it.

Cute list though.

He got tons of not proper support in Cleveland. Gilbert gave him free reign which was wrong of Gilbert and led to his silly little letter as Gilbert did everything for the guy including running any trades through him. Yes, that's a Gilbert problem but they tried everything in their means through trades to find the right components when how much LeBron really assisted in attracting free agents is certainly debatable. And every one of those trades had to get LeBron's approval. It was too much power for a punky kid and led to Ferry leaving and to Mike Brown's firing and despite all that he made his "decision". Nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is. And in the end the reason the talent on the court was perhaps not as good as other teams other than him was because of his anticipated "decision" they had to make panic trade after panic trade to attempt to do it "now". That's a tough road to hoe for an organization. guy can play, but he's a punk. This was displayed when another Cleveland team was destroying his beloved Yankee team in the post season, he had to try to make himself the story of that series to the best of his ability.

[Dahoss]

I'm not defending Lebron, had you read what I said prior to trying to troll, I said I don't know how anyone can defend him.

All I am saying is no one was going to win a championship with the teams Gilbert gave him to work with. No one. The way he handled himself with the decision and everything since then has been embarrassing. But the decision to leave was the correct one.

[clyde]

The power of AMERICA'S TEAM.





Such frustration....tsk-tsk.

[Dahoss]

Wrong thread Romeo.

[clyde]

Any thread needs AMERICA'S TEAM....fucl<face.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not defending Lebron, had you read what I said prior to trying to troll, I said I don't know how anyone can defend him.

All I am saying is no one was going to win a championship with the teams Gilbert gave him to work with. No one. The way he handled himself with the decision and everything since then has been embarrassing. But the decision to leave was the correct one.

In essence their fate was sealed the first offseason with LeBron. they were still a lottery team and had a legit number two guy in Boozer. They thought they had an agreement with Boozer to extend and then fiasco ensued and he left. That combined with them drafting Luke Jackson from Oregon with their lottery pick was pretty much it. I'd have to go back and see who they could have gotten with that pick, but it was one of the worst picks in NBA history. From that point on they never got high draft picks and they actually got serviceable players in Shannon Brown and JJ Hickson from some of those but they were not difference makers like you get picking high. It became a desperate search to find mainly stationary 3 point shooters to compliment LeBron through a series of trades and bad free agents. I think they did the best they could with what they were working with. And the Boozer fiasco and Luke Jackson occurred pre-Giilbert. And that was the precursar of everything.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

In essence their fate was sealed the first offseason with LeBron. they were still a lottery team and had a legit number two guy in Boozer. They thought they had an agreement with Boozer to extend and then fiasco ensued and he left. That combined with them drafting Luke Jackson from Oregon with their lottery pick was pretty much it. I'd have to go back and see who they could have gotten with that pick, but it was one of the worst picks in NBA history. From that point on they never got high draft picks and they actually got serviceable players in Shannon Brown and JJ Hickson from some of those but they were not difference makers like you get picking high. It became a desperate search to find mainly stationary 3 point shooters to compliment LeBron through a series of trades and bad free agents. I think they did the best they could with what they were working with. And the Boozer fiasco and Luke Jackson occurred pre-Giilbert. And that was the precursar of everything.

It's a star driven league. You're not winning rings with one guy and 7 scrubs. Shannon Brown and JJ Hickson? Stop it.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

In essence their fate was sealed the first offseason with LeBron. they were still a lottery team and had a legit number two guy in Boozer. They thought they had an agreement with Boozer to extend and then fiasco ensued and he left. That combined with them drafting Luke Jackson from Oregon with their lottery pick was pretty much it. I'd have to go back and see who they could have gotten with that pick, but it was one of the worst picks in NBA history. From that point on they never got high draft picks and they actually got serviceable players in Shannon Brown and JJ Hickson from some of those but they were not difference makers like you get picking high. It became a desperate search to find mainly stationary 3 point shooters to compliment LeBron through a series of trades and bad free agents. I think they did the best they could with what they were working with. And the Boozer fiasco and Luke Jackson occurred pre-Giilbert. And that was the precursar of everything.

HC..you are trying to have horseofcourse discourse with a yammering goof.




Move on to someone without petty jealously in their noodle.

[Dahoss]

Touchy touchy.