Another Brilliant Plan Out of WI

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Because voter fraud is very hard to prove. There have been many stories of political groups going around and giving smokes or cash to people if they go and vote.

That wouldn't be corrected by showing a photo ID, would it?

If those people are registered voters, that's electioneering. Not voter fraud. They are absolutely entitled to vote.

And if they are not registered to vote, they can't vote - can they? - unless they follow the current voter law for provisional voting.

Face it - voter fraud is a red herring for this change.

There is nothing restrictive about showing a photo ID.

When the current ID types available to enable one to vote are arbitrarily changed so that only one or two types of ID are now required, and it's markedly more restrictive, that take a particular effort or cost (poll tax) obtain, that's absolutely a restriction of voting rights with the purposeful attempt to disinfranchise particular groups of voters.

Not to mention the changing of dates to register, the residence requirements, etc.

This is a blatent attack on the voting rights of American citizens, certain demographics deliberately targeted by the RGA, and everyone knows it - it is no secret.

If the government is willing to pay for everyone to have a photo ID what is the issue? You need a photo ID to buy cough syrup. How else can you prove that the person that actually voted is the same person recorded in voting records?

Gee - the very way we do it now?

How would you know there is fraud if there is no way to prove the fraud? Is your real name Lena Taylor?

How would you know there is fraud when you don't see it? Imaginary boogeymen?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That wouldn't be corrected by showing a photo ID, would it?

If those people are registered voters, that's electioneering. Not voter fraud. They are absolutely entitled to vote.

And if they are not registered to vote, they can't vote - can they? - unless they follow the current voter law for provisional voting.

Face it - voter fraud is a red herring for this change.



When the current ID types available to enable one to vote are arbitrarily changed so that only one or two types of ID are now required, and it's markedly more restrictive, that take a particular effort or cost (poll tax) obtain, that's absolutely a restriction of voting rights with the purposeful attempt to disinfranchise particular groups of voters.

Not to mention the changing of dates to register, the residence requirements, etc. This is a blatent attack on voting rights of American citizens, certain demographics deliberately targeted by the RGA, and everyone knows it - it is no secret.



Gee - the very way we do it now?



How would you know there is fraud when you don't see it? Imaginary boogeymen?

In WI you can register to vote day of the election at the polling place.
So bribing people to go vote is electioneering, but requiring them to show a photo id is disenfranchising. I get it now. Thanks

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

In WI you can register to vote day of the election at the polling place.

And what happens to that vote? Depends on what the election is for, right? You might check out your own election laws. They are on the internet, just google "voting requirement Wisconsin".

So bribing people to go vote is electioneering, but requiring them to show a photo id is disenfranchising. I get it now. Thanks

They have to show ID now. Maybe you should go read your current voting laws before you change them.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

And what happens to that vote? Depends on what the election is for, right? You might check out your own election laws. They are on the internet, just google "voting requirement Wisconsin".



They have to show ID now. Maybe you should go read your current voting laws before you change them.

No you do not have to show ID to vote. You don't have to show an ID to register to vote either. You do have to show something with your address on it to register to vote, but once registered you do not have to show anything to vote. That person could have moved, etc and could be voting twice

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No you do not have to show ID to vote. You don't have to show an ID to register to vote either. You do have to show something with your address on it to register to vote, but once registered you do not have to show anything to vote. That person could have moved, etc and could be voting twice

The incidences of voter fraud in your state are very low.

To vote on day of election, or to register to vote, you have to provide the following (this is only part of the requirements, there are residency time requirements, too): (and if you do not show these, you can only cast a provision ballot in the federal election only that is not automatically counted)

from Wis.gov

Acceptable documents for proof of Wisconsin residency

Documents presented as proof must be original. Photocopies and account statements printed online are not acceptable.

The following documents are acceptable proof of Wisconsin residency when they include your name and current Wisconsin residence street address:

* Employee photo identification card issued by your current employer, containing your employer's name and address. Your employer's telephone number may be required for verification.

* Pay check or stub with your name and Wisconsin address, and your employer's name and address. Your employer's telephone number may be required for verification.

* A utility bill for water, gas, electricity or land-line telephone service at least 30 days old.

* An account statement at least 30 days old from a Wisconsin financial institution. The account statement must show activity.

* Wisconsin Quest Card (acceptable for proof of Wisconsin residency without your residence street address on it).

* Forward Wisconsin ID Medical Assistance Card (acceptable for proof of Wisconsin residency without your residence street address on it).

* Certified school record or transcript.

* Mortgage documents for a residential property in Wisconsin.

The department will decline to accept any document presented if it does not provide conclusive proof of residency.

Documents presented as proof must be original. Photocopies are not acceptable. Documents with a photograph of a person will be accepted only when the person is readily recognizable from the photograph. The department will decline to accept any document presented if it has reason to suspect the authenticity of the document. Questionable documents may require additional review.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The incidences of voter fraud in your state are very low.

To vote on day of election, or to register to vote, you have to provide the following (this is only part of the requirements, there are residency time requirements, too): (and if you do not show these, you can only cast a provision ballot in the federal election only that is not automatically counted)

from Wis.gov

So if a person is registered to vote in Milwaukee, but moves to Waukesha 60 days ago and has a utility bill in Waukesha now they could vote in both Milwaukee where they are currently registered and in Waukesha where they now have a utility bill in since they could register the day of the election. Someone else could be voting under someone else's name that is a registered voter as well if they knew their name and address since we don't require proof that they are the person they say they are.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by wiphan

So if a person is registered to vote in Milwaukee, but moves to Waukesha 60 days ago and has a utility bill in Waukesha now they could vote in both Milwaukee where they are currently registered and in Waukesha where they now have a utility bill in since they could register the day of the election. Someone else could be voting under someone else's name that is a registered voter as well if they knew their name and address since we don't require proof that they are the person they say they are.

Here's a thought... if you dont have an photo ID card, and you want to vote, how about go and get a photo ID? I mean they have a year to prepare for this. If voting is important to you, all you have to do is bring a valid form of identification.

I had to show it here in Florida, and the world didnt end. At least not yet.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

So if a person is registered to vote in Milwaukee, but moves to Waukesha 60 days ago and has a utility bill in Waukesha now they could vote in both Milwaukee where they are currently registered and in Waukesha where they now have a utility bill in since they could register the day of the election. Someone else could be voting under someone else's name that is a registered voter as well if they knew their name and address since we don't require proof that they are the person they say they are.

And the occurance of the above is how much? Thousands? Millions?

That's why when you move, you have to register in your new precinct, in order to vote there. Otherwise - boom, there you are again with the provision ballot that isn't counted.

Amazing how those current laws work to keep voter fraud in the single digits year after year after year in Wisconsin!

Sad that the Koch Brothers Republican Governors Association has as it's stated goal making voting laws harder, so less people can readily vote - especially those Democratic-leaning ones.

Sad American citizens sign on to that discrimination.