Uncle Mo gets treatment at Winstar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

I think he knows that it's not some gastrointestinal tract infection. Most likely, he used that as a cover-up for something he knows is probably more serious because he knows first hand what happens to horses when they get a serious diet of his juice.

So we are back to the conspiracy theory again? What is there to cover up? Is Uncle Mo going to sue for malpractice? If they were going to make something up why not something simple?

Do people really believe that this kind of stuff doesn't happen all the time? This is a very inexact science. I had a filly go bad on me last fall and we were never able to get her right despite her not getting any "juice" and not a single member of the press even knowing her name. It happens.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do people really believe that this kind of stuff doesn't happen all the time? This is a very inexact science. I had a filly go bad on me last fall and we were never able to get her right despite her not getting any "juice" and not a single member of the press even knowing her name. It happens.

Coincidence or not, the question marks surrounding Uncle Mo's physical condition got launched into the stratosphere when it was announced a couple of weeks ago that Devil May Care was euthanized and that she had been suffering from lymphosarcoma.

Certainly, that disease doesn't happen all the time, especially not to 3yo horses, within the same barn, within a few months of each other.

While it's a ridiculously huge leap to say that Uncle Mo has the exact same disease, from the outside looking in, he has similar (albeit vague) signs she exhibited last fall, was initially diagnosed as having a GI insult like her, and also has tests revealing a dreaded "elevated enzyme". So you can certainly see where these morbid, cynical predictions come from.

At the very least, this conspiracy theory has a bit more firepower than the usual accusations thrown around during the Gulfstream meet after so many open length, triple digit BSF victories in stakes and allowance races.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Coincidence or not, the question marks surrounding Uncle Mo's physical condition got launched into the stratosphere when it was announced a couple of weeks ago that Devil May Care was euthanized and that she had been suffering from lymphosarcoma.

Certainly, that disease doesn't happen all the time, especially not to 3yo horses, within the same barn, within a few months of each other.

While it's a ridiculously huge leap to say that Uncle Mo has the exact same disease, from the outside looking in, he has similar (albeit vague) signs she exhibited last fall, was initially diagnosed as having a GI insult like her, and also has tests revealing a dreaded "elevated enzyme". So you can certainly see where these morbid, cynical predictions come from.

At the very least, this conspiracy theory has a bit more firepower than the usual accusations thrown around during the Gulfstream meet after so many open length, triple digit BSF victories in stakes and allowance races.

I am trying to figure out why 1 horse that died from cancer is such a smoking gun in your mind? I was under the impression that Pletcher has a rep for treating all the horses the same using basically the same tonics and elixirers on all. So wouldnt there be more horses getting this cancer then just one?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am trying to figure out why 1 horse that died from cancer is such a smoking gun in your mind?

You're jumping to conclusions. I only said that, put alongside the Devil May Care episode, the mystery Uncle Mo illness is starting off in a similar fashion. Hence, for some, all the questioning of the "fullness" of the connections' reports on the horse.

I was under the impression that Pletcher has a rep for treating all the horses the same using basically the same tonics and elixirers on all.

I'm only going off DRF and Blood-Horse reports, so if you have some juicy inside info to dish, I guess your posts on the matter are much more informed then mine.

So wouldnt there be more horses getting this cancer then just one?

No. Does everyone exposed to asbestos get mesothelioma?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

While it's a ridiculously huge leap to say that Uncle Mo has the exact same disease, from the outside looking in, he has similar (albeit vague) signs she exhibited last fall, was initially diagnosed as having a GI insult like her, and also has tests revealing a dreaded "elevated enzyme". So you can certainly see where these morbid, cynical predictions come from.

Yeah, but there's multiple things that can cause those same signs, some serious, some not. For example, in humans, diarrhea could be caused by: Buffalo wing overdose. Or lymphosarcoma. Or ....

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So we are back to the conspiracy theory again? What is there to cover up? Is Uncle Mo going to sue for malpractice? If they were going to make something up why not something simple?

Do people really believe that this kind of stuff doesn't happen all the time? This is a very inexact science. I had a filly go bad on me last fall and we were never able to get her right despite her not getting any "juice" and not a single member of the press even knowing her name. It happens.

In my opinon, Pletcher had to come up with something that would explain Uncle Mo's physical appearance, i.e massive weight loss. So he comes up with a gastrointestinal tract infection. If you believe that's what it is then fine. I don't.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

In my opinon, Pletcher had to come up with something that would explain Uncle Mo's physical appearance, i.e massive weight loss. So he comes up with a gastrointestinal tract infection. If you believe that's what it is then fine. I don't.

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

In Pletcher's barn it's likely that Uncle Mo has long been on Gastroguard (or something similar) on a regular basis. For that reason, my initial reaction was that, if he's got something wrong in the GI tract, it must be something pretty serious. Does this follow, or are they completely unrelated?

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.
Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

I think what some people are saying is:

The horse had an infection( which was treated) but was still not good enough to Win the derby. So instead of losing and perhaps deminishing his value, they said the problem was lingering. Many think the horse has not advanced since last year and he had a leg issue. Don't run and lose and many will remember how good he was last year. Continue to run and lose and deminish his value. They are doing the right thing for their horse and their wallet.

[Mawhip]

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

Who's bad record the Hall of Fame bound trainer, or the owner who started claiming learned the game from the ground up albeit with a new Bankroll and has one a BC race in like his 5 years owning horses?

Who cares if they arent being truthful?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

My point of all this is that you can't believe a word of what Pletcher and Repole are saying. Whether they don't know or Pletcher is covering up a condition that he doesn't want anybody to know about, I'm not sure. But with his track record, I'm not giving him the benefit of any doubt.

What possible condition could he be covering up? Why would anyone care if one particular ailment was bothering the horse versus another? As I have tried to express many times, this is not an exact science. Look at Rags to Riches. Her exercise rider kept saying that she didnt feel right. Pletcher sent her off to the best clinics in the world for complete examination's which didn't come up with much. Then a few weeks later she comes up with a broken pastern. The best hospitals and doctors in the world knew something was wrong with an ultra valuable mare and still couldnt find it. Maybe if the equine version of House was available?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by OldDog

I don't know why this is so tough for some to embrace. My veterinarian friends echo what you are saying.

That's because we are conspiratorial, and all stick together

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

The horse has classic symptoms of a subtle chronic active problem with his liver or gastrointestinal tract (there could be one or two other things going on). The horse has had a battery of diagnostic tests at a referral hospital, a few possibilities for cause where determined based upon the results, the horse was placed on a specific course of treatment (medicine 101 for this presentation, btw) and when the course of treatment was done the horse still isn't 100%. So now they have to continue to try and determine what is going on.

Looking at it from a medical point of view, nothing secretive or conspiratorial or weird about that in the least.

The ol' dartboard approach. This I believe more than the conspiracy, but I've been wrong on every other aspect of this story, so who knows.