10:30pm Sunday Night President's Having a Press Conference?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I wish this country would cut aid and diplomatic ties with Pakistan. They are not this country's friend on the fight on terrorism like some people in this country thinks they are. I'm pretty confident they knew where Bin Laden was hiding at. Pakistan doesn't this country's aid period. The aid Pakistan gets could be used for helping the homeless people.

They got nukes.....and we've pandered to them for so long! I was thinking the Braintrust will have to figure that one out, and then I remembered.....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

They got nukes.....and we've pandered to them for so long! I was thinking the Braintrust will have to figure that one out, and then I remembered.....

you might want to put a bit more thought into why we are working w/paskistan, what we've been doing in pakistan, the geography of the region, and who else we are allied with there-as well as who we are opposed to there. maybe you'll see there's more to it than what you've come up with so far.

some questions , while we're on the subject. do you imagine that many of our allies would sit by and watch, with not much more than the occasional 'hey!', while we conducted drone strikes, bombings, raids, killings, etc within their borders? do you think that maybe pakistan make noises once in a while so as not to seem just to be our puppet, in order to keep some of their most unhappy citizens off their backs?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some questions , while we're on the subject. do you imagine that many of our allies would sit by and watch, with not much more than the occasional 'hey!', while we conducted drone strikes, bombings, raids, killings, etc within their borders? do you think that maybe pakistan make noises once in a while so as not to seem just to be our puppet, in order to keep some of their most unhappy citizens off their backs?

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

I keep bringing this fact up because how are we to expect them to believe the killing of innocent people is evil when killing their own innocent family members is acceptable and their culture?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I keep bringing this fact up because how are we to expect them to believe the killing of innocent people is evil when killing their own innocent family members is acceptable and their culture?

Again (an this is getting stressful for me) I have to agree with your point Dell. I've considered myself a feminist most of my life and I place the highest value on equal rights for women (all minorities as well). It's difficult for me to support a culture that denies them equality let alone one that treats them as slaves. The unfortunate fact is that most of the "third world" falls under this description. We, as a nation, are forced to deal with countries such as China, India and Pakistan for our own security. India is an example of an evolving culture where women and minorities are receiving more and more equal treatment. China has at least "opened up" somewhat and their economy has become more and more geared toward the principles of a free market. Civil rights still have a long way to go there but some progress has been made. Pakistan has the potential to follow in India's footsteps, when we abandoned them in the 90's they slipped back into basically a dictatorship, since we have improved relations, they show some signs of evolving. The government still must walk a tightrope by being an ally to the west while not pissing off the more radical Muslim population. Also the central government has little authority in the far reaches of the country. All in all, they may try our patience but it's a matter of the lesser of two evils.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

How many allies do we have where it's custom for a father to kill his daughter in order to preserve his honor?

Play with dogs you get fleas. These people are lower than dogs!

india is our ally, they still have areas there where folks throw a widow on her husbands funeral pyre. china is our #1 trading partner, they don't exactly have a stellar human rights' record. or womens' rights for that matter, where female babies are routinely abandoned, aborted, or killed. after all, if you can only have one, it better be a boy-girls are a dime a dozen.

at any rate, way to go with exploring the logic in what i said, or refuting it with logic.
when you say 'these people' do you mean all pakistanis, or just the ones who believe in honor killings? because, even tho it might be hard for you to grasp, 'they' don't all think that way.

just like not 'all of us' are of the same belief about things.


edit~and now i see somer already used the same three countries!

[Riot]

I may not like some cultural aspects of some of their citizens, but if the growing-into-the-fourth largest country in the world is chronically politically unstable and also has nuclear weapons - yeah. We have a real vested interest in what happens there.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

india is our ally, they still have areas there where folks throw a widow on her husbands funeral pyre. china is our #1 trading partner, they don't exactly have a stellar human rights' record. or womens' rights for that matter, where female babies are routinely abandoned, aborted, or killed. after all, if you can only have one, it better be a boy-girls are a dime a dozen.

at any rate, way to go with exploring the logic in what i said, or refuting it with logic.
when you say 'these people' do you mean all pakistanis, or just the ones who believe in honor killings? because, even tho it might be hard for you to grasp, 'they' don't all think that way.
just like not 'all of us' are of the same belief about things.


edit~and now i see somer already used the same three countries!

The people who look the other way, sisters, uncles, aunts are similarly guilty and judging by the NY column I posted where numbers are in the 80% range for arranged marriage, I'd say most. OF course EVERYONE involved in a honor killing (thought to number 4,000 over the last 10 years in Pakistan) is bin Lladen like scum. Also these girls aren't normally killed with a single shot or painless drugging but instead are butchered. I'm am sure somewhere in Pakistan is at least a few people with enough common sense to fight what they know is evil however they still must be in the minority and thus silent.

BTW India has a caste system that is a slap in the face of human rights. Sorry born with the wrong last name you're a beggar for life. China compared to where they were have come a long way but still treat their citizens like one would control a roach problem. But killing your own daughter to preserve your own honor? That's a special Dahmer-like sickness/evil. Meanwhile the Human Rights council of the UN wants details on the bin Laden raid?

[dellinger63]

If my math is correct bin Laden's 19 year old wife who now reportedly was sent to him 5 years previous was 14 when she arrived? She is from Yemen so I suspect they also have 'issues' shall we say. Can we find the proud father-in-law?

[Danzig]

just so you know, i find all those things abhorrent...but as a country, we many times look away at certain things in order to further our agenda. that's what's happening in this case.
hell, look at one of our big allies during ww2. stalin was a monster, remember? but he was the lesser of two evils at the time.

pakistan is similar to that. we do what we can when we can; perhaps in future we can help them change. that takes time.